Black Mountain Off-Road Adventure Area Price Increases!

[67fastback]

I just found this on their fb page:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/115413071923722/
closed the group due to spam so if you want to join hit me up and add your email to the group.

Black Mountain Off-Road Adventure Area
Hello Everyone! Well the end of another year is in sight. Here at the Black Mountain Off Road Adventure Area we are making big plans for the upcoming year with new trails and projects. While we dislike having to increase our prices we find it a necessity to do so to improve and expand. Effective January 1, 2014 the price for permits will be as follows:

Yearly (Visitors) : $50.00 (includes a free map)
Yearly: (Local- valid official I.D. required)- $40.00
Family Plan: 1st Vehicle- $50.00. 2nd- $40.00 and each additional- $35.00
31 Day: $30.00

We are sorry for any inconvenience this may cause and hope that you understand this price increase is for the advancement and expansion of the area. We will continue to strive to provide a quality place to ride with a family environment.

Thank You
Black Mountain Offroad Adventure Area Staff

[humpy]

Here we go again everybody gonna start whining bout the prices

[twiztedzuki]

pbr went up to 8.49$!!! bastards!!

[WrenchMonkey]

Yep. Haspin is $20/day. Harlan is $30/month.

Seems pretty darn reasonable...

pbr went up to 8.49$!!! bastards!!

Is that the case price?

[coachholland]

Best deal in wheeling IMHO. $50 for a year per vehicle. Most places charge that or more per weekend per person.

[94Dodge Truggy]

The idea that they have to gain more money from this will fail unfortunately. All of the people who I know that go there once or twice a year say that they are not interested in going. More open trails for me so I will win on this!

[93 Krawler]

That's still a great price, and you get a free map. :thumbup:

[humpy]

The idea that they have to gain more money from this will fail unfortunately. All of the people who I know that go there once or twice a year say that they are not interested in going. More open trails for me so I will win on this!

They are not interested in going back because of $15/year increase?

[coachholland]

Actually only $10. Fees were $40 a year in 2013. Agreed though. Someone being butt hurt over paying such a small amount considering how much land is down there needs to have their head checked. Just as an example of two other reclaimed coal mining parks on the east coast...

Rausch Creek: $15 membership, plus $35 a day plus $7 per passenger or $325 per person per year. No night riding.
Windrock: $88 per person, per year. No night riding.
Harlan: $50 a year per vehicle. 24/7/365 night or day.

[94Dodge Truggy]

They are not interested in going back because of $15/year increase?

I know a good amount of people who will not be going down because of this. The prices are going up and some are barely able to handle the rising costs. They would rather support our local riding areas. A few of them have had things stolen from the locals and have experienced crowded trails. I hope the crowds are lighter but I will miss some of the people who I ride with while I am there.

[WrenchMonkey]

I'm about as cheap a bastard as cheap bastards get. I've got less in my daily-driver trail rig, tow rig, trailer, and spare jeep combined than a lot of people have in their toy alone. I can squeeze a nickel!

But it's basic math that two days at Harlan are cheaper than two days at Haspin.

If you want to support local, that's awesome. If you've had a bad experience down there, I can certainly understand.

But to say it's because of a $5/trip price increase just seems disingenuous...

Robert

[93 Krawler]

I just can't see anyone not going to Harlan because of a $10 a year increase. If you're in to any motor sport, what's another $10... There's ways to beat the crowds, don't go on event weekends... I've never had any problems with thieves, but have heard of people getting ripped off.

[comanchedude]

first time I wheeled there it was FREE... dang the free stuff never last
second time it was a 200% increase , now its another what 50% dam I am pissed off :evilgrin:

[twiztedzuki]

also trails down there to hard, i stick to haspin its great

[kkoepper]

Lol!

[94Dodge Truggy]

I'm about as cheap a bastard as cheap bastards get. I've got less in my daily-driver trail rig, tow rig, trailer, and spare jeep combined than a lot of people have in their toy alone. I can squeeze a nickel!

But it's basic math that two days at Harlan are cheaper than two days at Haspin.

If you want to support local, that's awesome. If you've had a bad experience down there, I can certainly understand.

But to say it's because of a $5/trip price increase just seems disingenuous...

Robert

Do not forget about the extra time that it takes to get there and fuel.

[94Dodge Truggy]

also trails down there to hard, i stick to haspin its great

90% of the people on the board could not conquer the tough spots at haspin. Many do not know where the tough areas are even located.

[Nuts]

Do not forget about the extra time that it takes to get there and fuel.
Even with fuel a weekend at harlan is about the same as a weekend at haspin, and the awesomeness makes up for the diffrence.

[beer_goggles_009]

Yet another positive to Harlan..... you know where the hard stuff is because they have a map that is well marked unlike places like Haspin.


Jim

[94Dodge Truggy]

Yet another positive to Harlan..... you know where the hard stuff is because they have a map that is well marked unlike places like Haspin.


Jim

Only a few have been able to read it though! :thumbup:

Like I stated earlier, I will be going there still. Some people make poor decisions.

[Patrick45015]

As far as theft goes its at haspin as well. A guy jumped in someone's truck and tried to steal it. He claimed he was just going to help his buddy who was stuck in the woods. Other stuff has been stolen. Gas, tools etc

[comanchedude]

Maybe if you live dead between them? but for me its over 500 mile round trip to blkmt. Haspin is about 90 ,gas to drive there and back alone in $150 or more (just round trip)
just basic math.

lets don't get silly here . blkmt is great. but lets don't say it cost the same as haspin for a weekend if you live around cincy. its like 5 times the cost if you add up everything

the cost to wheel there if fine, good deal... just in no way comparable to wheeling at haspin... just basic math


Even with fuel a weekend at harlan is about the same as a weekend at haspin, and the awesomeness makes up for the diffrence.

[Nuts]

Maybe if you live dead between them? but for me its over 500 mile round trip to blkmt. Haspin is about 90 ,gas to drive there and back alone in $150 or more (just round trip)
just basic math.

lets don't get silly here . blkmt is great. but lets don't say it cost the same as haspin for a weekend if you live around cincy. its like 5 times the cost if you add up everything

the cost to wheel there if fine, good deal... just in no way comparable to wheeling at haspin... just basic math I can break it down to actual numbers if you want, but for a long weekend with a passenger, and camping at both places, this is what my compairison is based off of.

In the same truck pulling the same trailer, with the same buggy on it, I used 3/4 of a tank of fuel getting to haspin and back home, and used just over a tank and a half going to Harlan and back.

At Haspin you pay for 2 people to stay for 3 days, at Harlan if you already have the vehicle pass its free.

So the price to get in and stay at haspin offsets the extra fuel needed for Harlan.

[comanchedude]

well in your case it must somehow work out that its only twice the fuel from your location to Harlan than haspin. in my case its 435 mile more driving from Ross.. and I don't have an extra person to pay for most of the time. so the 35 or 45 for a 3day run at haspin is only a 5 or 10 buck difference in park fees. but don't forget camping at haspin is included , Harlan charges to camp so if you add that fee back in you are not saving , it adds what $45. bucks ? still that's quite a bit more , in your case to only double the fuel cost /use that's interesting for sure. in my calculations rated at 12 mpg to simply double my fuel cost /use would indicate harlen was only 180 mile for me to drive ...as a trip to haspin and back is half a tank,(90) to harlen and back is 2.8 tanks at best (525) . with 16 gal tank .so due to my apparent odd location you do have an advantage somehow. so in your case I stand corrected :confused:


I can break it down to actual numbers if you want, but for a long weekend with a passenger, and camping at both places, this is what my compairison is based off of.

In the same truck pulling the same trailer, with the same buggy on it, I used 3/4 of a tank of fuel getting to haspin and back home, and used just over a tank and a half going to Harlan and back.

At Haspin you pay for 2 people to stay for 3 days, at Harlan if you already have the vehicle pass its free.

So the price to get in and stay at haspin offsets the extra fuel needed for Harlan.

[biggin69]

Wasn't there a price argument in another thread? :D

[humpy]

90% of the people on the board could not conquer the tough spots at haspin. Many do not know where the tough areas are even located.

There's tough spots at haspin? We did backbone hill in reverse with the women drivin... :beers:

[Patrick45015]

My fee to ride where I ride was 120 grand lol :beers:

[Nuts]

well in your case it must somehow work out that its only twice the fuel from your location to Harlan than haspin. in my case its 435 mile more driving from Ross.. and I don't have an extra person to pay for most of the time. so the 35 or 45 for a 3day run at haspin is only a 5 or 10 buck difference in park fees. but don't forget camping at haspin is included , Harlan charges to camp so if you add that fee back in you are not saving , it adds what $45. bucks ? still that's quite a bit more , in your case to only double the fuel cost /use that's interesting for sure. in my calculations rated at 12 mpg to simply double my fuel cost /use would indicate harlen was only 180 mile for me to drive ...as a trip to haspin and back is half a tank,(90) to harlen and back is 2.8 tanks at best (525) . with 16 gal tank .so due to my apparent odd location you do have an advantage somehow. so in your case I stand corrected :confused:

For 1 guy its probably not even close, but I can't get out by myself ever so for me the time driving down there and what little more its costs isn't a huge issue, and like I said before the awesomeness of Harlan makes up for it. The difference in fuel is because a trip to haspin is through towns and country roads, therefore a lot of starts and stops to suck up diesel, Harlan I just hop on 75 and go. The old 12 valve sipped fuel on the interstate.:beers:

I'm not trying to argue, I like haspin better than most people on this site, just putting in my 2 pennys.

[Redriverranger]

This is funny. $10. Wake up America.

[gothodgie]

This is funny. $10. Wake up America.

:beers:

[Runoveru2]

Only $10.00 more a year to make Harlan better than what it is now ?? Hell I would give em $20.00... Harlan is Awesome and my favorite place to wheel, glad to hear of work being put into a park to make it a better place with more trails/ obstacles coming soon.

[monkeystrong]

Justifying our own personal perspectives on the microeconomics of wheeling is completely speculative from one person to the other purely because of the personal value that we place on our time versus return on our money spent.

For me its about content, friends, and getting away.

[93 Krawler]

A drive to Haspin costs me $50 in fuel vrs $230 to Harlan. I would still choose Harlan every time. $10 bucks ain't chit...

[94Dodge Truggy]

There's tough spots at haspin? We did backbone hill in reverse with the women drivin... :beers:

Most people think that the backbone is the toughest haspin has to offer. This is the problem. Quit riding the main trails and conquer some land.

[boomhauer]

I have to be with humpy on this one! didn't know haspin had any hard trails. nothing but a bunch of mud if it happens to rain! if you think haspin is hard maybe you ought not even go to Harlan.

[humpy]

I have to be with humpy on this one! didn't know haspin had any hard trails. nothing but a bunch of mud if it happens to rain! if you think haspin is hard maybe you ought not even go to Harlan.

My point exactly lol it's hr and a half drive to haspin for us and I won't even get outta bed for it... I'll go to Harlan every time... We have places 15 minutes from the house that are more challenging than haspin... Everything I saw at haspin, and we covered from fencerow to fencerow that we could find , would b hard for a street driven rig on 35s or smaller...

[WrenchMonkey]

Seen Clay Hill lately?

[94Dodge Truggy]

Seen Clay Hill lately?

That or the creek out of the backbone since the hard rain could put the hurt on a 42" tire buggy or smaller. Clay hill backwards could be fun! Harlan definitely has some tougher climbs no doubt.

[94Dodge Truggy]

I have to be with humpy on this one! didn't know haspin had any hard trails. nothing but a bunch of mud if it happens to rain! if you think haspin is hard maybe you ought not even go to Harlan.

Harlan scares me! :sweatin:

[biggin69]

:popcorn: This thread is hilarious! I see a lot of **** talking that needs to be settled on trail! :thumbup:
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[93 Krawler]

If Harlan could take a dump, it would chit out Haspin... The only thing hard about Haspin is getting 20 bucks out of my wallet to give to them.... :evilgrin:

[Runoveru2]

:popcorn:

[twiztedzuki]

If Harlan could take a dump, it would chit out Haspin... The only thing hard about Haspin is getting 20 bucks out of my wallet to give to them.... :evilgrin:

lmao!! rite rite

[comanchedude]

ya I did mason jar in 2wd, backwards while eating my lunch.. and pulling 3 core members...

some of you need to learn what sarcasm..and joking is...:wink: