Road legal SxS

[JeffK5]

Anybody consider it or know someone who's done it?

[blazerbrad]

I know a bunch of guys that have street legal golf carts in the small town close to where I grew up. Also know a guy who has a street legal sprint car. If you can do those vehicles then I don't see any reason why you couldn't do a SxS.

Don't know all the specifics but the guy with the sprint car has a "windshield" with a wiper, all the lights, rearview mirror, and think he needed a parking brake. The pictures are on my other phone or I would post them.

[JeffK5]

I was driving over to my moms last night to plow snow and there where SxS's everywhere...none looked to be legal but it got me thinking. My 900 would be a blast to drive around but I would need to be legit as the cops we bust my a$$ for sure.

[donaldcon]

They can be made legal easily. Add turnsignals, horn and dot approved windshield and have them inspected. or just buy a orion reeper they come legal from china.

http://oreionmotors.com/reeper

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[93 Krawler]

I think some states allow it. I've read on the rzr forums that people have done this. It depends on the state, and county. Some people have found loopholes that allow them to drive on the road. The most consistent thing I read was not going over 25 mph.

[twiztedzuki]

also need dot tires, atleast while it being inspected.

[donaldcon]

I think some states allow it. I've read on the rzr forums that people have done this. It depends on the state, and county. Some people have found loopholes that allow them to drive on the road. The most consistent thing I read was not going over 25 mph.
Here in ohio unless you have a farm use permit it is not legal to street drive even under 25mph. People seem to think so though and maybe the cops wouldn't bother you with a slow moving sign but not worth the risk to me.

I did forget dot tires! Toss some 12" passanger car tires on or 14" based on rim and go

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[Runoveru2]

I see some very strange things on the road these days, you can build a custom anything and legally drive it on the road and even a highway, however.... there is a process that you have to go through, alot of it has to do with safety equipment, engine size, overall dimensions, and what to classify the vehicle as, State highway patrol can point you in the right direction on the process. On that note I did actually see what i believed to be a Razor driving Northbound on Colerain Ave about a month ago, I did turn my head to make sure that that is what I seen.... at that point I said well that's cool.... other law enforcement do not always share the same Attitude.

[donaldcon]

Here in Ohio you can have the title converted I it has to do is pass the safety inspection. Quick call to inspection station will answer all questions.

I had this and a chevette on 35s inspected and made legal.
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To pass the fiero buggy needed bumpers added. He told me to make easily removable bumpers so I could toss them when I got home.

I've asked the guy about making side by sides legal and getting my offroad mower an ohv title to tag it for state owned trails

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[donaldcon]

A jeep head lights do not show the "extreme" width nor do rail buggies. Safety in ohio as said is up to the officer.

Ask them to show the law where a tire or wheel must be dot approved. It doesn't exist. But for an inspection I'd imagine they'd require it. Though they've never checked anything but tread depth on me.

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[donaldcon]

Haul it to the new concord station hell pass ya..

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[blazerbrad]

Crappy pic but here is the street legal sprint car (note the license plate on the front).

http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab184/grayblazer/0517121938.jpg

Really didn't do a whole lot to the body and chassis. Suspension modified for neutral steering and handling. 4.3L GM V-6, Powerglide, truck 10-bolt rear axle. I will probably see him later this week and will ask some more questions but I don't remember saying he had to jump through any hoops to get it licensed, though I believe insurance might have been an issue.

[elmer91]

I had this and a chevette on 35s inspected and made legal.


I wanna see this chevette on 35s. the fiero is cool.

[blazerbrad]

Man seing that sprint car makes me think about cruisin around in my buggy. Hell yeah! Turn off yur cell phones cause u wont hear sh... anyway lol. Insurance yeah thats gona be a big problem. They dont like self built anything.

110 HP for a RZR 1000....that's for Grandmas. This thing is probably around 190 HP and weighs about the same. It's quick.

He originally planned to install a 350 V-8 but couldn't get it to fit without major modifications to the chassis.

[WrenchMonkey]

Those street legal sand rails that everyone sees fall under the home built rules btw.

I always assumed they retained the VIN from the VW they were based on. Seems like it would be a lot easier...

[WrenchMonkey]

I wanna see this chevette on 35s. the fiero is cool.

Lotta the pics are dead, but some still work:

http://www.cincyoffroad.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9035

And yeah, the Fiero is the coolest thing I've seen all day...

[donaldcon]

www.photobucket.com/4x4chevette

Fiero was no longer a fiero and given a homebuilt status using original vin.

Chevette was given a reconstructed (not salvage rebuilt) title. Vin for the car and the chevy luv (front 4 ft of frame) were both on the title.

As said I've asked about retitling side by sides and was told by the guy who does my inspections it's possible. But that was 4 years ago and I don't recall the exact requirements.

If those oreion where more proven that would be the route to go imo. But 13k is alot for a China men ride.

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I built the chevette at 16 so it was nowhere near today's standards of builds but 12 years ago for not knowing a thing except how to kind of weld it isn't bad.

I rolled it a year ago last August with no cage and it is now stripped and sold off. Body went to scrap.

Had 3.8 buick v6 th400 d18, scout 44s 5:13s and lockers

When first built it was stock Chevy luv drive train with modded frame. Then went to jeep d30 and 44, then the 3.8 with a samurai (or sl70, it had a ebrake on the back????) Tcase.

Should have kept the suzuki case and 2wd trans, but ran across the th400 from a commando with dauntless v6 and thought it was an upgrade. I was 18 then and didn't know anybetter. Knowing what I know now I could have made it like that pinto bouncer, but with more Chevette left

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[donaldcon]

I really thing someone serious about this needs to call the I section station that would be doing the I section and ask them what needs to be done.



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[Ky Mudhunter]

offroadohio, did you used to be on the S10extremist site as 4x4chevette?

[donaldcon]

Yes...looooong time ago

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[Ky Mudhunter]

I figured that was you. Not too many lifted Chevettes out there.

[JeffK5]

Yes...looooong time ago

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Where's the pic of the Chevette rolled..I think it was at the MV4W farm or something?

[donaldcon]

it was at heiney farm. Click the link I posted earlier it has all photos.

Not friend at the station, he must just be easy going.

[biggin69]

Wait, I see how! Your car qualifies the same as those lambo kit cars. Ahhhh ok. The year given is the first year its titled so its not an 84 fiero its an 06 thingamabob lol.

This is no different than the rail buggies you see on the road titled aa Volkswagens.

[donaldcon]

I think that's what he is saying it should have remained a Fiero even though they gave me a home built title

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[donaldcon]

Yeah I found it odd chevette stayed chevette but fiero went home built but I didn't care as long as I was "legal"

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[JeffK5]

This is no different than the rail buggies you see on the road titled aa Volkswagens.
And that's illegal per the DOT. A tube chassis rail buggy doesn't retain the floor pan of the original VW so it's no longer a Beetle and it should be issued a builders title. You might get away with it ...until you run into the wrong cop.

[donaldcon]

Easy... samurai or wills frame and wipers.

Has to be dot laminated glass too. I do think some companies sell dot windshields for then though

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[Patrick45015]

I always assumed they retained the VIN from the VW they were based on. Seems like it would be a lot easier...

Some people do get tags for a beetle title and slap it on an unapproved rail. Seems like a lot get away with it

[donaldcon]

Yeah usually buy a beetle use just the floorpan and use the beetle title in most cases I think

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[WrenchMonkey]

And that's illegal per the DOT. A tube chassis rail buggy doesn't retain the floor pan of the original VW so it's no longer a Beetle and it should be issued a builders title. You might get away with it ...until you run into the wrong cop.

So a frame swap invalidates the VIN? Do you have a source for that?

I'm not doubting you, but that's about what I planned to do with my '46 Willys, and I'm curious if I'm going to run into trouble...

[donaldcon]

It is always best to call inspection station I think.

A frame has a vin now a days but does a 48 willies??? I'd say from a technical stand point if you swapped to a factory frame u would want the title for.your body and new frame and have them combined like I did with the chevette.

But I doubt ud ever have an issue unless u need to prove ownership.

I what do u do when you swap cabs from an 85 chevy to a other frame???? Same issue

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[donaldcon]

I've swapped f150 cabs onto f350 and vise versa and unless you get cuaght at a random safety inspection or sell it out of state or try to make an insurance claim there'd be no issues..

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[donaldcon]

I can tell.you I got stopped twice in the chevette. one cop called in to ask questions Becuase of the title status and the other just checked the vin to the registration

[WrenchMonkey]

Easy to get away with that one even though technically its illegal.

I've swapped f150 cabs onto f350 and vise versa and unless you get cuaght at a random safety inspection or sell it out of state or try to make an insurance claim there'd be no issues.

Yeah, I know anything is "okay" if you don't get caught. :cool:

I'm just not clear, exactly what is "illegal" to swap?

I swapped the engine in my XJ. If it has a VIN (I'm not sure it does) it now won't match the one on the body. Is that illegal?

Any more, I understand a Civic has a VIN on every fender. Changing one is illegal?

The frame is just another (major) part of the car. How is it, legally, any different from changing a spark plug?


I'm sure that, realistically, I'm worrying about nothing. A '46 doesn't even have a VIN. And assuming I can get it titled by the serial number before I start tearing into it, nobody will ever give a squirt after that.

I'm just curious why a frame swap would invalidate the VIN. At what point the car stops being what it was, and becomes homemade.

I always heard that the VIN tag and whatever it's riveted to should never be disturbed, and everything else was fair game. 'Course, I have exactly zero to back that up, either.

[WrenchMonkey]

I can tell.you I got stopped twice in the chevette. one cop called in to ask questions Becuase of the title status and the other just checked the vin to the registration

I'll be better off, because it will still look a lot like a CJ2A. I can see why your 'vette would raise an eyebrow. :D

[JeffK5]

I have a friend who has a street legal tube rail that was issued a builders title and I gave him a call about the requirements. He said that he needed DOT compliant head/brake/turn/tail lights .. DOT tires and horn and that was it. You need to ether wear goggles or run a windshield but there wasn't any specifications on what the windscreen needed to be made of or anything about wipers or safety glass. We where worried about some of the stuff we had heard was required..like..front brakes, emergency brake, wipers , safety front glass and DOT belts but when we built his buggy in '06 none of this stuff was necessary.

He passed the inspection and they issued him the title , he then had to weld a plate to the chassis and stamp the VIN on it . Then the license bureau verified the VIN and issued him registration and plates.

Now a tub or "dune" buggy retains the original VW pan and can be titled using the car you started with.

This is the stuff my buddy and I learned through the DOT registrars office..now that was almost ten years ago so things could have changed.

[donaldcon]

Dot windshield is required now. The goggle thing doesn't work.

Rest seems the same

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[mckeddie]

Cridersville ohio (just south of lima on 75) is very friendly towards inspecting golf carts and whatnot for street use. Call the bmw there and find out what you need. Everyone up this way gets everything inspected there.

[blazerbrad]

Between the street legal sprint car, 4x4 'vette, dune buggys, and golf carts I have a hard time thinking you could not make a SxS legal on the street. But as mentioned maybe it is because of stupid red tape around the off-road title.

DOT windshields and wipers shouldn't be much of a trouble. Reference the sprint car I posted previously. Buying a flat piece of DOT approved glass and a hand operated wiper is no big deal.

[Runoveru2]

Between the street legal sprint car, 4x4 'vette, dune buggys, and golf carts I have a hard time thinking you could not make a SxS legal on the street. But as mentioned maybe it is because of stupid red tape around the off-road title.

DOT windshields and wipers shouldn't be much of a trouble. Reference the sprint car I posted previously. Buying a flat piece of DOT approved glass and a hand operated wiper is no big deal.

You pretty much can make anything legal, it's just the way you go about it, get rid of any numbers on a razor or whatever you want and make sure it meets safety regulations, motorcycles don't have to have windshields nor do buggies, however you can be stopped for not wearing proper eyewear...... bottom line is you pretty much have to say that you made it all yourself, it would help getting rid of anything on it that refers to it as a razor....This has been done here in Ohio.