Parking Ticket?

[MrShoeBoy]

Any chance on fighting one of these? Its for $250 and parking with in 10 Ft of a fire hydrant. I have been parking on my street next to this thing for over a year now and never got hassled about it before. I was right at the 10 ft mark but still WTF? I watched several squad cars drive past and never blink an eye at it before until today at lunch I found a ticket on my window.

On an amusing side note... Where it says Make and Model the officer put "Jeep" and "4x4" cause he didnt know what to call it. :rolleyes:

AARON

[RD TRCTR]

You go to UC right? I got tons of parking tickets down there. Go to the university building where you buy parking permits and they'll throw it away for you. Each student is allowed one parking ticket per school year to be forgiven.

Another good point about this is that if you ever get a parking ticket for parking somewhere on campus, don't bother paying it or going in about it. I received 23 parking tickets on UC's campus from the UC "cops". I threw each and every one in the glove box. I gaduated 2 years ago and have yet to be contacted about paying them. And, yes, I received my degree and have an unmarked record.

[sarge]

A parking ticket can not go on your driving record . it is a civil matter not a criminal one. If it was the Campus cops I would do as above. if it was Cincy police then I would see about contesting it. I know that the red light camera tickets are thrown out if contested in Middletown.
If you park in the same spot all the time I would go out and measure 10 feet from both sides of the hydrant and spray paint, in some high vis paint , lines on the road.

[KargoMaster]

So lemme get this straight...

YOU are recommending vandalizing the street/curb with paint?






Just getting you back for the Before/After thread... :D

[JET455]

So lemme get this straight...

YOU are recommending vandalizing the street/curb with paint?






Just getting you back for the Before/After thread... :D


It ok as long as you do not do it in Trenton!

[MrShoeBoy]

A parking ticket can not go on your driving record . it is a civil matter not a criminal one. If it was the Campus cops I would do as above. if it was Cincy police then I would see about contesting it. I know that the red light camera tickets are thrown out if contested in Middletown.
If you park in the same spot all the time I would go out and measure 10 feet from both sides of the hydrant and spray paint, in some high vis paint , lines on the road.

It was off campus. I already know about the campus "cops" and dont bother parking on campus and if I do, I park inside the shop so they cant get me :D

So if I show up to contest it, what happens? Do I end up paying more than the $250 or am I just repsonsible for the ticket fine?

Thanks,

AARON

[KargoMaster]

could go either way... show up be respectful, prove your point directly.

see what happens.

[CFD5]

They just said on the news they bumped up the $ for parking tickets to make up for the economy. Thats most likely why they got you now. Trust me, don't block a hydrant in cincinnati. Just give us a little room to work with.

[JHenry]

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l209/y2henry/Hydrant.jpg

[blazerbrad]

I know if you want to contest a speeding ticket you have to show up in court, the first time is just the plea, and if you say not guilty you have to schedule to come in again.

Interesting note about the UC campus cops and tickets. I graduated from UD and they would hold your degree until any unpaid tickets were taken care of.

x2 on not blocking a fire hydrant (not saying you were in this case, just as a note in general) as I have two brother-in-laws that are firefighters and it is their dream to find a car blocking a hydrant at a fire so they can bust the windows out and run the hose through it just like the picture above.

[KargoMaster]

keep in mind... this is a parking ticket... difference noted by Sarge...


Welcome to the Board CFD5... :D

[KargoMaster]

My opinion:

I think you know if you were within 10ft... if you were, then suck it up and get out your wallet (no matter how often you parked in the same spot previously), if you weren't (and want to prove it) then contest it.

Don't just contest it to reduce/eliminate your fine... that's stupid.


Again, opinions are like elbows, everyone has a few.

[JeffK5]

You keep calling them "cops" , do you think they're not ?

Pay the ticket if you broke the law.. buy one inch or ten feet.

Good luck , Jeff

[KargoMaster]

Yeah, I can't figure out why you got a ticket... :eek:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b234/KargoMaster/AaronParkedJoke.jpg




















J-U-S-T

K-I-D-D-I-N-G!!!


...this is a PHOTOCHOP by me... as a joke...
See original in Before/After thread.


I hope those bits (driveshaft/Hi-Lift) on the back have locks, or that there's a small pit bull in the bed hiding behind that gas tank...

What size tank is that?



:evilgrin:

[94Dodge Truggy]

Yeah, I can't figure out why you got a ticket... :eek:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b234/KargoMaster/AaronParkedJoke.jpg




















J-U-S-T

K-I-D-D-I-N-G!!!




I was checking the shadowing before I knew that it was doctored with questioning the authenticity. Damn that was good Kargomaster!!! I need some pics. altered. How much do ya charge?

[tjjeepjeep]

Hey Kargomaster....you could photochop one of you wheeling your rig...:evilgrin:

[94Dodge Truggy]

Hey Kargomaster....you could photochop one of you wheeling your rig...:evilgrin:

WOW!!! :eek:

[MrShoeBoy]

hahahaha Thats funny guys!

AARON

[KargoMaster]

Yeah, I can't figure out why you got a ticket... :eek:


I was checking the shadowing before I knew that it was doctored with questioning the authenticity. Damn that was good Kargomaster!!! I need some pics. altered. How much do ya charge?

It was a quick chop, it's not perfect.


Hey Kargomaster....you could photochop one of you wheeling your rig...:evilgrin:

Nice Lisa, thanks.

[Redriverranger]

Now that was funny, right there.

[GPER]

Hey Kargomaster....you could photochop one of you wheeling your rig...:evilgrin:
OUCH, Lisa. That was funny.:D :beers:

[MrShoeBoy]

I hope those bits (driveshaft/Hi-Lift) on the back have locks, or that there's a small pit bull in the bed hiding behind that gas tank...

What size tank is that?
:evilgrin:

The driveshaft was just in there for the afternoon, was taken inside shortly after the pic was taken. The spare tire and Hi lift jack both have locks on them. The fuel cell is a 19gal from RCI and the lid is locked with a pipe wrench to keep it on. Its really funny to go to a full service station and have them try to unscrew it by hand :D

AARON

[cincygman]

Good entertainment here :beers: What was the original question?:rolleyes:

[cincygman]

Whats a full service station?:confused:

[wilson1010]

CITY OF COLUMBUS, APPELLEE, v. WEBSTER, APPELLANT

No. 35953

Supreme Court of Ohio

170 Ohio St. 327; 164 N.E.2d 734; 1960 Ohio LEXIS 596; 10 Ohio Op. 2d 419


February 10, 1960, Decided

PRIOR HISTORY: [***1] CERTIFIED by the Court of Appeals for Franklin County.

This action arose as a result of defendant, appellant herein, being charged with certain parking violations contrary to the ordinances of the city of Columbus. A plea of not guilty was entered by defendant. Upon the trial of the action before the Municipal Court, the prosecution introduced evidence that on the dates specified in the affidavits an automobile registered in defendant's name was tagged for these violations.

At the trial, no evidence was introduced that defendant parked the automobile, the prosecution relying on the provisions of a city ordinance that, where an automobile is found illegally parked and the identity of the driver cannot be determined, the person in whose name such vehicle is registered is prima facie responsible for the violation. Defendant introduced no evidence but moved that the charges be dismissed on the grounds that the ordinance is unconstitutional and that the prosecution had not proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant had committed the offenses. The court upheld the validity of the ordinance, overruled defendant's motion and found defendant guilty. The defendant appealed to [***2] the Court of Common Pleas where the judgment was affirmed. Upon appeal to the Court of Appeals the judgment was again affirmed and that court certified the record of the case to this court on the ground that the Court of Appeals judgment is in conflict with the judgment of the Court of Appeals for Hamilton County, in an unreported case, affirming the judgment in the case of McCarthy v. City of Cincinnati, 27 N. P. (N. S.), 362.

DISPOSITION: Judgment affirmed.

[wilson1010]

Sec. 515-4. Parking ticket, service and liability.
(a) The parking ticket adopted in Section 515-10 hereof shall be used by law enforcement officers or parking enforcement officers in all cases in which a person is charged with committing a parking infraction within the City of Cincinnati. The parking ticket shall be the summons and complaint for purposes of this Chapter.
(b) A law enforcement officer or parking enforcement officer who issues a parking ticket for a parking infraction shall complete the ticket by identifying the parking infraction charged, recording the license plate number, type, and make or model of the vehicle, and indicating the date, time, and place of the parking infraction charged. The officer shall sign the ticket and affirm the facts it contains and file a copy with the Violations Clerk. The officer may either physically or electronically sign the ticket. A copy of the ticket may be filed electronically with the Violations Clerk. If the operator of the vehicle is present, the officer also shall record on the ticket the name of the operator in a space provided on the ticket for identification of the offender, and then shall personally serve the parking ticket upon the operator. If the operator of the vehicle is not present, the officer shall insert the word "owner" in the space provided on the ticket for identification of the offender, and then shall constructively serve the parking ticket upon the owner of the vehicle by affixing the ticket to the vehicle in a conspicuous place.
Constructive service of a parking ticket upon an owner of a vehicle by affixation as provided in this Section, or by the procedure described in paragraph (d) of this Section, has the same force and effect, and potentially subjects both the owner and the operator of the vehicle whose act or omission resulted in the parking infraction, if different, to the same fine, penalties, fees and costs for failure to timely answer or to appear if a hearing is requested, as if the parking ticket were personally served on both the owner and operator of the vehicle at the time of the violation.
(c) The original of a parking ticket issued pursuant to this Section or any true copy of it, shall be considered a record kept in the ordinary course of business of the City of Cincinnati and of the law enforcement agency whose officer issued it, and shall be prima facie evidence of the facts it contains. A true copy of a parking ticket includes an electronic copy of the ticket.
(d) An operator of a vehicle who is not the owner of the vehicle, but who operates it with the express or implied permission of the owner is the agent of the owner for purposes of the receipt of parking tickets served in accordance with this Section, and personal service of a parking ticket upon the operator in accordance with this Section constitutes constructive service upon the owner for purposes of this Chapter. The operator of a rented or leased vehicle whose act or omission resulted in an alleged parking infraction shall not be considered an agent of the owner if the owner is engaged in the business of renting or leasing vehicles pursuant to a written rental or lease agreement and if the owner follows the procedures set forth in Section 515-8 hereof.
(e) Except as provided is Section 515-8 hereof, when a parking ticket is issued for a parking infraction and is served pursuant to this Section, the operator of the vehicle whose act or omission resulted in the parking infraction for which the ticket was issued and the owner of the vehicle involved in the parking infraction, if different, are jointly liable for the parking infraction and any fine, penalty, fees and costs arising out of the parking infraction. Any owner of a vehicle who pays any fine, penalty, fee and cost imposed for a parking infraction pursuant to this Chapter may recover the amount paid from the operator of the vehicle whose act or omission resulted in the parking infraction.
(Ordained by Ord. No. 422-1992, eff. Sept. 16, 1992; Emer. Ord. No. 53-2005, eff. Feb. 16, 2005; Emer. Ord. No. 0069-2007, § 1, eff. Feb. 22, 2007)


Sec. 515-8. Nonliability of owner.
(a) An owner of a vehicle is not jointly liable with an operator of the vehicle whose act or omission resulted in a parking infraction for the parking infraction or any fine, penalty, fee, or cost arising out of the parking infraction under this Chapter if either of the following apply:
(1) The owner answers the charge of the parking infraction under Sections 515-5 or 515-6 hereof, the answer denies that he committed the infraction and requests a hearing concerning the infraction, the owner additionally asserts and provides reasonable evidence at that time to prove that the vehicle, at the time of the commission of the parking infraction, was being used by the operator without the owner's express or implied consent, and the Parking Violations Bureau determines that the vehicle was being used without the owner's express or implied consent at that time. If the Parking Violations Bureau does not so determine, it shall conduct the hearing concerning the infraction according to Section 515-7 hereof.
(2) The owner answers the charge of the parking infraction under Sections 515-5 or 515-6 hereof, the answer denies that he committed the parking infraction, the owner additionally submits evidence at that time that proves that, at the time of the alleged commission of the infraction, the owner was engaged in the business of renting or leasing vehicles under written rental or lease agreements, and the owner additionally submits evidence that proves that, at the time of the alleged commission of the parking infraction, the vehicle in question was in the care, custody, or control of a person other than the owner pursuant to a written rental or lease agreement. If the owner does not so prove, the Parking Violations Bureau shall conduct a hearing relative to the infraction according to Section 515-7 hereof.
(3) The owner, at a hearing concerning the parking infraction conducted in accordance with Section 515-7 hereof, proves that the vehicle, at the time of the parking infraction, was being used by the operator without the owner's express or implied consent or proves the facts described in Division (a)(2) of this Section.
(b) An owner of a vehicle who is engaged in the business of renting or leasing vehicles under written rental or lease agreements, but who does not satisfy the additional requirements of Division (a)(2) of this Section is not liable for any penalties arising out of a parking infraction involving the vehicle if at the time of the commission of the parking infraction, the vehicle was in the care, custody, or control of a person other than the owner pursuant to a written rental or lease agreement, and if the owner answers the charge of the parking infraction by denying that he committed the parking infraction or by paying the fine arising out of the parking infraction within thirty (30) days after actual receipt of the parking ticket charging the infraction or, if the owner did not receive the parking ticket, within thirty (30) days after receipt of notification of infraction.
Proof that the vehicle was in the care, custody, or control of a person other than the owner pursuant to a written rental or lease agreement at the time of the alleged parking infraction shall be established by sending a true copy of the rental or lease agreement or an affidavit to that effect to the Parking Violations Bureau within thirty (30) days after the date of receipt by the owner of the parking ticket charging the infraction or, if the owner did not receive the parking ticket, within thirty (30) days after receipt of the notification of infraction. The submission of a true copy of a written rental or lease agreement or affidavit shall be prima facie evidence that a vehicle was in the care, custody, or control of a person other than the owner. In addition, any information required by Division (a)(2) of this Section may be provided on magnetic tape or another computer readable media in a format acceptable to the City of Cincinnati or the Violations Clerk.
(Ordained by Ord. No. 422-1992, eff. Sept. 16, 1992)

[MrShoeBoy]

Thanks Wilson. So in the first case did the guy end up getting fined or what? I suck at the legal speak.

AARON

[wilson1010]

Sorry, I didn't have time for the explanation.

The first case from 1960 says that you can be liable for the ticket even if you didn't park the car yourself. If you are the owner and the city ordinance imposes liability on the owner.

The second thing is the Cincinnati ordinance which does exactly that.

You could fight the ticket on the basis that you were not too close to the hydrant, etc. Post up if you want to and I'll put up the procedural stuff.

W

[MrShoeBoy]

Is it a HUGE pain or not so bad? I dont have a lot of time to put into this and I really cant afford to spend any more on this thing. $250 is enough.

On a side note...A friend of mine (really it wasnt me!) got a speeding ticket about 45min south of Columbus, dont supose you have a prefered lawyer up in that region that deals with moving violations?

AARON

[wilson1010]

Nah, waste of time. Next time, get a garbage can, cut the bottom out and lower it down over the hydrant while you are parked there.:D

[GPER]

Nah, waste of time. Next time, get a garbage can, cut the bottom out and lower it down over the hydrant while you are parked there.:D
Now that is some sound legal advice.:eek: :D :D :D :D :D :D

[MrShoeBoy]

The garbage can thing.... I havnt done it and it hasnt happened on my street, but my friend who lives on Wheeler sees it all the time with trash bags put over the hydrants. We always take the bags off and hope the car gets a ticket or towed or better yet a hose through the window :D Where I was parked, there was more than enough room and it was clearly visable from the street. Guess the cop didnt think it was 10ft visable though... :(

AARON