Dang ice got me...

[tjjeepjeep]

Well the dang ice got me on my way home from work today. :mad: Out of work early, off to WalMart at Milford (doing my part to help the economy); going home via entrance ramp onto 275S. Hit a patch and lost it. Spun I have no idea how many times, across all 3 lanes and hit the guardrail twice-ish. Stopped on the right shoulder; looking at traffic. Moved car enough to look and front bumper pushed in enough that it's hitting tire. Well now what should I do, as I sit in the rain. I did the only thing I could think of...and 'phone a friend'. Little while later, Armstrong and Pater show up trailer in tow, get me home ok, and take my x90 back to Armstrong's shop to see damage.

All in all, I'm ok. Sore and bet tomorrow is gonna be worse (Merry Christmas). While waiting, I got to watch 4 vehicles spin out as well as meet a nice State Patrolman, who was kind enough to write me a $95 ticket 2 1/2 hrs after the accident because I was a dumbass and stayed there, (my bad, I was warned it could happen). But it could have been much worse so I'm thankful, although my cute little purple car is hurt now. Here are a few pics from the camera phone.

To Armstrong & Pater -- You guys can't imagine how relieved I was to see the big sexxy black truck pull up behind me, trailer in tow...knowing my support had arrived. Thank you doesn't begin to cover it, but it's a start. Thank you thank you both!!!

[JeffK5]

Is that a "failure to control" ticket?

That's nothing but a bull**** money grab from a city/state that's in your pocket too much as it is!

They'd have to make me pay that one..:mad:

[maddhatter]

Glad you are OK. :beers:



Don't you dare scrap that car without asking me to buy it first!:evilgrin:

Just kidding "well kinda" I am glad your ok people drive like nut cases up there at the Milford exit.

[fabricator]

thats junk....what you want for it..

[carwash]

Fight the ticket. Threaten to sue them for repairs due to lack of road preparations on their part. If you go to court, it will probably get dropped.

When the hell did you get that car?

[maddhatter]

:eek: lol

[GPER]

Glad you are ok, it was an interesting drive yesterday.

[94Dodge Truggy]

Highway Patrol is nothing but a business and they were making sure they would get their money for the annual pizza party. He was going right on down the line handing everyone stopped tickets for failure to control. Guess there were no serious injury wrecks or matters to deal with. He seemed to be a miserable fella and I wanted to wish him a merry christmas but he quickly left as I pulled up. Glad you were alright Tjjeepjeep and looks like the purple wonder can be saved!

P.S. Getting to do some urban wheeling drifting with the trailer on I-275 was awesome!

[GPER]

The Columbus radio station said to trade insurance info if you had hit another car then call the H.P. and report it after you got home. So what were they planning on doing, sending tickets to people through the mail??????? :eek:

[tjjeepjeep]

Thanks everyone. I naively thought he was stopping to see if I was ok; then asked for registration yada...and realized not so much. The worst part of the ticket is that if I'd made the decision to drive a potentially unsafe vehicle on the highway (cause how the heck would I know); I would have been spared the $95. That's what is getting me. I was still there 2 1/2 hrs after it, so my 'fault' obviously.

I've had the car since August (I think); admired it since it first showed up at a CORE meeting. It's fun to drive and a 4x4 that gets 28 mpg. Ain't no way I'd get rid of it.

[Flxratd]

have no fear she will live to see another day. the quarter panel is the worst it will need to be pulled but finding parts for these cars is a hole other issue. all in all the fact that you were ok (and that the zuki was able to drive away :D ) is the important thing but the fact that the state trooper didnt ask how you were just that he wanted another ticket to put on his resume is just plain ass. what happened to PROTECT and serve must have been free coffee during that part of the class :mad:

[TomH]

Sorry about your luck, but glad you're OK; it's easier to fix cars than people.

Best wishes for the New Year.

[GPER]

That little Zuk is a 4x4 what model is it????

[Flxratd]

That little Zuk is a 4x4 what model is it????

its an 1996 x90. they were only made 3 years but alot of vehicle packed into 1.

[maddhatter]

its an 1996 x90. they were only made 3 years but alot of vehicle packed into 1.



Same drive train as the Trackers and Sidekicks.
You can even use the Tracker lift kit's.
Flyin-J has 3 of them lifted and on Tractor tires!!:eek:

He has the tires off of them right now but as you can see he races them and is not real easy on them! lol

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u54/maddhatter1/X-90.jpg
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u54/maddhatter1/beatupx-90.jpg

[SixFtUnd]

yeah glad your ok it was bad out there

[KargoMaster]

...if I'd made the decision to drive a potentially unsafe vehicle on the highway....

Yes, that blows. You were looking out for the wellbeing of all, and you got screwed for it... Sorry about the luck.

It's fun to drive and a 4x4 that gets 28 mpg.

I know the feeling.

[WrenchMonkey]

Fight the ticket. Threaten to sue them for repairs due to lack of road preparations on their part. If you go to court, it will probably get dropped.

That's the part that really gets me boiling. The city/county/state are so inept that they can't provide one of the ONLY services that actually benefit most taxpayers.

And then they decide that not only is it not their fault that the roads are impassable, but it's actually YOUR fault, and they'll take it upon themselves to punish you for what they didn't do.

And the punishment? ANOTHER $100 you get to pay the very people who aren't doing what we're paying em to do in the first place!

Sorry for the rant, did I make you feel any better about it? :D

Oh, and Merry Christmas!

Robert

[tjjeepjeep]

Good progress being made on repairs. I stopped by the shop yesterday to watch and learn about body work. (Frame rack...very very cool stuff.) Chris from CK Customs is taking good care of it. Looks like parts are gonna be the tricky thing. Scott/flxratd is working on headlight assembly and everything else, so we'll see what happens there. Here's a few more pics (camera phone):

[wilson1010]

Glad you're OK, Lisa.

I try to restrain myself on these ticket posts, because I can be a PITA is a big hurry when I'm not careful. But, I'm with the rest of this crowd on the failure to control ticket. First of all, the cop is supposed to cite you when he concludes to a reasonable certainty that your failure to control constituted a violation of the law. How he does that 2 1/2 hours after a wreck that he did not see and no one witnessed but you is the problem. On the one hand, you could tell him to pound salt and that he could read the facts in your Ohio Crash Report that you are required to file within 24 or 48 hours of the wreck and can be wrtten by your lawyer so there is nothing in there that would serve as the basis for a ticket. Or, you can be cooperative and tell him what happened and have him slap a ticket on you.

Frankly, I think the police make a mistake in these failure to control tickets. If a client calls me on the cell phone from the car and asks what to do, there is only one answer: politely tell the cop that since he is investigating a violation of the law where you are the suspect, he can talk to your lawyer or read the Ohio Crash Report when you get around to filing it.

Eventually, no one will talk to police if every time they open their mouths (which no one is required to do) they get charged.

[tjjeepjeep]

I honestly haven't decided what to do .. court date of 1/8, so time is ticking.

[KargoMaster]

So is your X90 having a Happy New Year yet??

Just checking... Have to talk about something before the next Birthday...:evilgrin:

[tjjeepjeep]

progress is being made ... know some parts came in today for it. which for those that don't know: a 'rare' car merely means parts are gonna cost someone to get.

[tjjeepjeep]

Well, today was the date to appear in court for the ticket. First on the docket, plead not guilty and I get to go back 1/21 now for a trial before a Magistrate. :cool: Oh the joys...

[KargoMaster]

You go girl...

[SixFtUnd]

Good luck

[GPER]

The ice we had Tuesday got my sister, her new Honda is at the dealer now. Looks like we will have more tonight and tomorrow.

[tjjeepjeep]

Looks like we will have more tonight and tomorrow.

Guardrails in Greater Cincinnati, look out! :D

[GPER]

Guardrails in Greater Cincinnati, look out! :D

They were safe tonight, so far.:D

[tjjeepjeep]

Just when I thought this was over. Yesterday I get an invoice in the mail from the Ohio Dept of Transportation for replacement of two 12.5 ft sections of major guardrail and one 12.5 minor section -- total cost (drumroll please) of $1498.15. They obviously don't know that an x90 is the size of a matchbox car. Fun just never ends...

[94Dodge Truggy]

Tell them it was already f-ed up! I can rub some black paint on it. I would report that to insurance now. And press some charges later.

[chrisc]

Thats total BS! That kind of stuff pisses me off. Let me get this right your suzuki could be repaired but 37ft of guardrail was destroyed:confused:

[tjjeepjeep]

I'd be mad but it's just so comical, that I can't stop chuckling. My cute little purple car (that is slightly larger than a golf cart w/all of 100 hp) drove away from the scene...but apparently left a 37 foot path of devastated guardrail in it's wake. Still funny...

[maddhatter]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u54/maddhatter1/X90.jpg

[tjjeepjeep]

Cool site... Cute little car with attitude.
Check out the flex on this baby....yea yea you be jealous.

Hey flxratd...I'd be ok if mine came back to me with these mods. (minus the charger logo in the window)

[BiggDaddy]

I ran a side-swiped a guardrail with a motorcycle once. Didn't hardly leave any paint on it, let alone a scratch or dent. Same thing happened. About 6 months later, I get a bill for a guardrail replacement. I think they must replace it if it gets hit by anything, doesn't make any sense to me. I considered it case closed long before this bill. But the insurance company picked it up with no questions asked. I'd just let them worry about it.

BiggDaddy

[tjjeepjeep]

That's what everyone says ... insurance company. So I'm the only person in the world that decided not to file a claim on an accident. Who knew?

[94Dodge Truggy]

My insurance will still let me file after the fact. See if yours will.

[carwash]

Dont file with insurance until your last hope... the premium hike you will receive is not worth just paying for the guardrails.

I wouldn't pay this til they dragged my ass thru court to make me do it. The police report says "no damage." You and other witnesses (im sure your rescuers would testify for you) saw no damage. There is no way your little car could even begin to destroy 37 feet of guardrail without your little x90 being in about 37 pieces itself. I would make them prove you messed the guardrail up, either with photos or some kind of documentation of such.

If they say they repaired it, make them produce the old destroyed guardrail as proof, and require they give it to you if you have to pay, since you are paying for the guardrails you messed up. Trust me, if you fight this, you won't have to pay. They send a guardrail bill to every motorist that got near one in an accident. It's a serious revenue maker for them. They know that most people will submit it to insurance, and that insurance will pay it.

Send a copy of your police report with "no damage" hilited along with the bill to the address required. Go from there.

[tjjeepjeep]

Yea I talked to the nice lady in accounting at the state late yesterday, who of course can't actually negate the invoice. I started out saying that my copy of the accident report says 'no damage' so I was confused. She said her copy was a generic report, and she saw that notation on the other one when she pulled it. Then said I also drove the car away, to which she said the report says a trailer. I said I didn't know if I should drive it, as I'm not a mechanic. When they with a trailer arrived; they said it could. Then said this car is just slightly bigger than a golf cart. After a few minutes of chit chat, she says something about me taking out 50 ft of guardrail and posts, then driving it away sounding unrealistic. I very calmly agreed. Then there was something from her about this process having a few holes. To which I didn't reply, as I had nothing nice to say. She said she'll turn it over to someone to review it and make the determination that I didn't mangle the guardrail and leave the scene. I sent her the pic from the front of the x90 to her (you know the one that didn't show much damage) to forward to him. Should hear from him next week, hopefully. I also drove by before the TS meeting and saw the pretty new guardrail in place as well. :rolleyes:

After all this I've learned a few things: one not everyone showing up at the side of the road when you're in "trouble" is there to help you (may not be a steak knife, but you're gonna get stabbed somehow). two if there is no paperwork, it never happened. three never stay there.

[94Dodge Truggy]

My insurance will not raise my rates unless it is a $20,000.00 claim I was told in writing. You may want to check because it could save you a bunch of time.

[tjjeepjeep]

Yea but I didn't do the damage. It's asinine that they're even suggesting it.

[WrenchMonkey]

...not everyone showing up when you're in "trouble" is there to help you (may not be a steak knife, but you're gonna get stabbed somehow).

Man, that's one of those "universal truths" right there...

I gotta get that embroidered on a pillow or something...

:beers:

Robert

[94Dodge Truggy]

Can DNA be pulled from the guardrail? I saw this done once on CSI! :eek:













;)

[jamie L]

Scott P, you were lucky the farmer didn't come after you for having trailer drags in his fields and messin up all that corn. And i'm sure we could have pulled DNA from your front seat.

[tjjeepjeep]

Well my guess is I get stuck with this stupid thing. State guy will meet me there tomorrow afternoon to look at the section I hit (that still shows purple paint on it, next to the yellow from the vette that hit after me). Figure I'll also take along the police report that says no damage....then call Allstate afterward. Not really feeling like this is gonna go my way at this point. I could just about spit nails at this point on the whole subject. More to come...

[wilson1010]

You just give it to your insurance company. They pay.

[tjjeepjeep]

Ok funny story...Allstate says they wouldn't pay a claim anyway because the police report clearly no damage to guardrail. So I'm gonna try square two, and go from there. Calling nice man back to say I'm not going to meet him since my police report says it wasn't my accident that damaged it. Once again...ongoing saga to be continued

[maddhatter]

No one was hurt and when this is all over you will still be able to walk and smile.
No matter what there is still a bright side to this.

Yes, It sucks huge donkey dongs but it will pass.
Head up and Smile. You will not know what will happen until it happens.
Your insurance might have more luck fighting this then you if you have to file.

[Flxratd]

No one was hurt and when this is all over you will still be able to walk and smile.
No matter what there is still a bright side to this.

Yes, It sucks huge donkey dongs but it will pass.
Head up and Smile. You will not know what will happen until it happens.
Your insurance might have more luck fighting this then you if you have to file.

untill then watch out for low flying suzuki x90s they pack one heck of a punch for such a small car and also if they do that much damage to guardrail in milford dont expect that guardrail to save you because it must be made of aluminum foil

[tjjeepjeep]

No one was hurt and when this is all over you will still be able to walk and smile.


Yes but I may be walking a little funny afterwards....:rolleyes:

[KargoMaster]

I'm sooooooooooo resisting any comment...

[94Dodge Truggy]

Can I comment! I had deleted my comments twice now.

[GPER]

Yes but I may be walking a little funny afterwards....:rolleyes:

I thought she has a fine walk:D

[carwash]

I'm sooooooooooo resisting any comment...
I think she made the comment by her reply...

[tjjeepjeep]

Well who knows what this will bring. Nothing else it drags it out and gives me something to do (oh right). More to come....

Copy of my letter being sent certified mail to the nice lady in accounting at ODOT:

Dear Ms Davis:

I received the enclosed invoice in error. This is based on two pieces of information that I’m afraid may not have been clear prior to assigning my accident report number to this guardrail replacement cost.

First, I’ve enclosed the accident report completed by the State Trooper and have outlined the statement made by him that states no damage to the guardrail. The Trooper was at the scene, and made a note that there was no damage at that time. Therefore, if your department was required to repair a section of guardrail along 275, it was not due to my accident that took place 3 months ago on 12/23/08.

Second, the section of guardrail that I struck is still in tact along 275 and as such does not appear to have been replaced. There appears to be blue paint from my car showing on it as of yesterday.

To summarize, the police report states no damage to guardrail and the section(s) replaced were not involved in my accident from 3 months ago. Due to these important pieces of information, please send me a written cancellation notice of the invoice. If you have questions, please convey them in writing to either my email address or my mailing address shown above. Thank you for your prompt attention to this intrusive matter.

[Hope Springs Hauler]

Well who knows what this will bring. Nothing else it drags it out and gives me something to do (oh right). More to come....

Copy of my letter being sent certified mail to the nice lady in accounting at ODOT:

Dear Ms Davis:

I received the enclosed invoice in error. This is based on two pieces of information that I’m afraid may not have been clear prior to assigning my accident report number to this guardrail replacement cost.

First, I’ve enclosed the accident report completed by the State Trooper and have outlined the statement made by him that states no damage to the guardrail. The Trooper was at the scene, and made a note that there was no damage at that time. Therefore, if your department was required to repair a section of guardrail along 275, it was not due to my accident that took place 3 months ago on 12/23/08.

Second, the section of guardrail that I struck is still in tact along 275 and as such does not appear to have been replaced. There appears to be blue paint from my car showing on it as of yesterday.

To summarize, the police report states no damage to guardrail and the section(s) replaced were not involved in my accident from 3 months ago. Due to these important pieces of information, please send me a written cancellation notice of the invoice. If you have questions, please convey them in writing to either my email address or my mailing address shown above. Thank you for your prompt attention to this intrusive matter.

GET'EM :D

Make sure that you take recent dated photos

[GPER]

I guess this does explain why traffic is always so bad on 275, it is Lisa's fault:D

[maddhatter]

I guess this does explain why traffic is always so bad on 275, it is Lisa's fault:D


It's almost ALWAYS a woman's falt!:evilgrin:

[tjjeepjeep]

It should be ok now...I'm driving the Jeep. How much trouble can I possibly cause in that? :evilgrin:

[wilson1010]

All-Snake may not have to pay this claim, but they do have to defend the claim. A claim has been presented, call their claims service number, get a claim number set up, give it to ODOT or whomever and call it a day.