Buggy title???

[Nuts]

Anyone know how I can get a title made for my buggy? I don't want one so i can get plates and drive it on the streets, I'd just like to have something that proves its mine incase the need arises...

[carwash]

title it as whatever you want, mine's a 1943 CJ2a. Vin on the dash and all...

[wilson1010]

Anyone know how I can get a title made for my buggy? I don't want one so i can get plates and drive it on the streets, I'd just like to have something that proves its mine incase the need arises...


I know you have to get it inspected by the highway patrol under the following section, but I don't know where you go from there. I suppose you just take the inspection certificate to a title office. :confused:

§ 4505.111. Inspection of vehicle assembled by person other than manufacturer

(A) Every motor vehicle, other than a motor vehicle as provided in divisions (C), (D), and (E) of section 4505.11 of the Revised Code, that is assembled from component parts by a person other than the manufacturer, shall be inspected by the state highway patrol prior to issuance of title to the motor vehicle. The inspection shall include establishing proof of ownership and an inspection of the motor number and vehicle identification number of the motor vehicle, and any items of equipment the director of public safety considers advisable and requires to be inspected by rule. A fee of forty dollars in fiscal year 1998 and fifty dollars in fiscal year 1999 and thereafter shall be assessed by the state highway patrol for each inspection made pursuant to this section, and shall be deposited in the state highway safety fund established by section 4501.06 of the Revised Code.

[Nuts]

title it as whatever you want, mine's a 1943 CJ2a. Vin on the dash and all...Sooo.... I've seen your build thread and thats not a 1943 CJ2a dash... but I get what you're saying.

I know you have to get it inspected by the highway patrol under the following section, but I don't know where you go from there. I suppose you just take the inspection certificate to a title office. :confused:

§ 4505.111. Inspection of vehicle assembled by person other than manufacturer

(A) Every motor vehicle, other than a motor vehicle as provided in divisions (C), (D), and (E) of section 4505.11 of the Revised Code, that is assembled from component parts by a person other than the manufacturer, shall be inspected by the state highway patrol prior to issuance of title to the motor vehicle. The inspection shall include establishing proof of ownership and an inspection of the motor number and vehicle identification number of the motor vehicle, and any items of equipment the director of public safety considers advisable and requires to be inspected by rule. A fee of forty dollars in fiscal year 1998 and fifty dollars in fiscal year 1999 and thereafter shall be assessed by the state highway patrol for each inspection made pursuant to this section, and shall be deposited in the state highway safety fund established by section 4501.06 of the Revised Code.
Thanks, I'll look into this more!

[wilson1010]

Hmmmmm. Maybe I should have put up the rest of the section . . . .

§ 4505.111. Inspection of vehicle assembled by person other than manufacturer

. . .

(B) Whoever violates this section shall be fined not more than two thousand dollars, imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

[94Dodge Truggy]

I bet the State highway would love to take a look at your buggy. :rolleyes: They seem to become extremely picky as each year passes.

[GPER]

I went through all that when I put the glass body on, it was no big deal. Take it to the HP, they can inspect it check all of your receipts and treat it like any other kit car.

Be careful on the year you choose in case we go back to that e check crap for those that might want to plate their ride.

[94Dodge Truggy]

This is what state highway asked me. Do you have a windshield, turn signals, brake lights, full width bumpers, no hydraulic steering, frame height legal? Insurance agent looked at it yet? Tickets were given to one fella for tires outside the wheel wells and for simulated beadlocks.

[WrenchMonkey]

They really asked about beadlocks?

I was starting to think that was an urban legend. Everybody heard about them being "illegal," but no one had any actual, firsthand experience...

Robert

[acousticrawk]

it just has to be legal for inspection. friend of mine went to the HP... they told him what he didnt have and needed (kind enough to do it for free) and he threw in a catalytic converter (required if you have e check or not by FEDERAL law) used all turn signals and marker lamps from an on 12v motorcycle he had behind his shed, plexi wind screen, stock bumpers from the truck he used the frame for (truggy), took of his BL's for the inspection and ran stockers with mudflaps... those where the big ones. and make sure your horn works and is loud. i remember he forgot that and had to go back a third time. he said they where very professional and polite and did there best to help him out.... but he also said the guy before him had a mullet and 3 teeth and had pieced together an old ford truck that was way more streetable than his truggy and they gave him a ton of crap. after it was all done and they issued him a certificate of inspection tp get a title, and he got his hands on the title, he took all the dumb stuff back off, and but is BL's back on.

when i was in the military a top told me once... "if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck" just make it look like your trying to get it right and be legal and not take short cuts, and you want know what your doing and be polite and as professional as they are being with you and its really no big deal.

i had a jeep inspected ages ago with no problems. (title records had been destroyed)

[94Dodge Truggy]

They really asked about beadlocks?

I was starting to think that was an urban legend. Everybody heard about them being "illegal," but no one had any actual, firsthand experience...

Robert

Never said they asked about them. But if they see a huge set of thick rings with 36 gold bolts that may start a chain reaction. It can be done but you need to follow the rules.

[blazerbrad]

This is what state highway asked me. Do you have a windshield, turn signals, brake lights, no beadlocks, full width bumpers, no hydraulic steering, tires inside the wheel wells, frame height legal? Insurance agent looked at it yet?

I'm confused after your reply about the beadlocks....did somebody from the highway patrol actually ask any of these questions or is this just what you think they would ask.

The reason is that there are no mention of several of those items in the Ohio regulations. There is no mention of beadlocks, nor is there any specific tire coverage law in Ohio, and not sure about the hydraulic steering but I'm guessing it is not specifically addressed.

[94Dodge Truggy]

I'm confused after your reply about the beadlocks....did somebody from the highway patrol actually ask any of these questions or is this just what you think they would ask.

The reason is that there are no mention of several of those items in the Ohio regulations. There is no mention of beadlocks, nor is there any specific tire coverage law in Ohio, and not sure about the hydraulic steering but I'm guessing it is not specifically addressed.

Do not be confused. I have seen the ticket from a friend who recieved it from the state highway patrol while driving on I-75 for wheels outside the fenders and beadlock rims. (which were simulated beadlocks)

[Nuts]

I don't want to do all that crap, its never going to be on a street.
I just want something that proves its mine. The Bad Lands buggys came with a VIN and they are nowhere near street legal.What about tractors, 4 wheelers,and dirt bikes, don't they have titles? Could i register it as a combine or some kind of farm equipment? lol

[kyrel69]

Do not be confused. I have seen the ticket from a friend who recieved it from the state highway patrol while driving on I-75 for wheels outside the fenders and beadlock rims. (which were simulated beadlocks)

do not know how they gave him a ticker for tires outside the fenders when Ohio does not a law saying they have to be inside the fenders

[94Dodge Truggy]

do not know how they gave him a ticker for tires outside the fenders when Ohio does not a law saying they have to be inside the fenders

Tell the fairfield police dept. that. I recieved a ticket for no fender over a trailer tire and another fella I know recieved a ticket for tires sticking out on a toyota supra.

[kyrel69]

Tell the fairfield police dept. that. I recieved a ticket for no fender over a trailer tire and another fella I know recieved a ticket for tires sticking out on a toyota supra.


well maybe fairfield has some kind of ordinance or something they can add they to Ohio laws

[carwash]

Any ticket like that, i would fight in court. The cop probably wouldn't even show up, even if he did, i don't think he could produce any kind of written law regarding it.

He might argue that it is "unsafe due to blah blah blah" etc... but i have never seen any laws written in ohio regarding that stuff. Beadlocks, flares, etc.

[WrenchMonkey]

I think this is what confused Brad:

This is what state highway asked me. Do you have a windshield, turn signals, brake lights, no beadlocks... ?

They really asked about beadlocks?

Never said they asked about them...


As for tire coverage, I know there is a reg that commercial trucks must run mudflaps, and stipulates the exact size.

But I haven't been able to find anything covering private vehicles.

If anyone has the ticket and/or reg#, I'd love to see it. I like to be proven wrong almost as much as being right...

Then I get to be right the next time...

Robert

[blazerbrad]

I won't argue that somebody might of gotten a ticket for those items, but I will argue that the ticket would of not stood up in court. As mentioned there are no specific laws against beadlocks (anywhere in the U.S.A.), and no mention of tire coverage on private vehicles in the state of Ohio.

Several years ago on the way between the gas station/parking area and the trail a highway patrol officer flagged over 3 or 4 of the vehicles in our group and started giving them the riot act and threatening to have the vehicles towed. We finally talked him into letting us go get the trailers (maybe 2 miles away) and get the vehicles. The one guy had a Toyota pickup on full-width D60's and 36" tires....yeah, looked pretty big for a Toyota but not like it had 44's and 20" of lift. Anyway, the officer wrote him up for too much lift/bumpers too high and several other items (probably for the tires sticking out also, but I forget the specifics). The others got tickets also. The officer did not even measure anything.

To get to the point, all of the people who got tickets contested them in court and immediately got them thrown out...I don't even think they had to speak to the judge. We later heard from a local that this particuliar highway patrol officer wasn't a "regular" and must of been in a bad mood the one weekend he worked the area as he gave out "dozens" of similar tickets to anyone who had loud exhaust or a lifted 4x4 (which is about half the local residents).

[maddhatter]

Just find a rusted out POS that is cheap and has the same motor as the buggy and is street legal. Then swap the Vin plate over the the buggy dash and go get your plates. :cool: They will only want to inspect it if the Title is from another state.

[maddhatter]

http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/title/sal_veh_inspections.htm



Tell me that don't seem like a major pain in the azz!

[acousticrawk]

Just find a rusted out POS that is cheap and has the same motor as the buggy and is street legal. Then swap the Vin plate over the the buggy dash and go get your plates. :cool: They will only want to inspect it if the Title is from another state.


DO NOT DO THIS!

it is illegal and if you are caught (even with it on a trailer) you will recieve HUGE fines and probably prison time. its like forging a legal document. you would have to be a deep woods toothless redneck to even consider this as a possible option. the ramifications for such an action are not worth it.

check madhatters link and read no. 5:
5. Any vehicle or component part bearing a VIN or VIN derivative determined to be stolen/missing or altered will result in the vehicle being impounded and held as evidence and/or seized for forfeiture.

that would just be the beginning of your problems if you were caught.


call a lawyer. if you rnot going to street it or insure it, then call a lawyer and have some sort of offical documentation made up for it with is discription, use and identification, and keep a copy of it in the records dept. if you want to street it, just get over it and make it legal based on the rules. it really isnt that hard.

[wilson1010]

The reason I put up the penalty is because avoiding the possibility of a year in jail would seem to justify a fair amount of inconvenience.

[94Dodge Truggy]

Maddhatter you are a baaad boy! What are you going to do with yourself? :eek:

[acousticrawk]

The reason I put up the penalty is because avoiding the possibility of a year in jail would seem to justify a fair amount of inconvenience.

i agree, but apparently not enough for all of us. haha:beers:

[maddhatter]

Maddhatter you are a baaad boy! What are you going to do with yourself? :eek:


http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u54/maddhatter1/lmao.gif


What is a deep woods toothless redneck to do?:D

[maddhatter]

i agree, but apparently not enough for all of us. haha:beers:


1st. There is not a chance in hell Adams buggy will EVER pass this little "inspection".

2nd. The "inspection" you are talking about is to make a rig street legal which is something this buggy will never be and there for COULD NEVER pass the inspection.

3rd. I told him 3 months ago he didn't "need" a Title from the state.
All he needs is a notarized bill of sale.

4th. No matter what the state of OHIO is not going to give you a title for a buggy that is not legal to drive on the street.

5th. You CAN mill up your own number on a peace of flat steel and weld it to the chassie and then have that number added to the notarized bill of sale along with the motor casting number and it will hold up in any court and can be used to insure the buggy also.

6th. Bite me. :D

[acousticrawk]

1st. There is not a chance in hell Adams buggy will EVER pass this little "inspection".

2nd. The "inspection" you are talking about is to make a rig street legal which is something this buggy will never be and there for COULD NEVER pass the inspection.

3rd. I told him 3 months ago he didn't "need" a Title from the state.
All he needs is a notarized bill of sale.

4th. No matter what the state of OHIO is not going to give you a title for a buggy that is not legal to drive on the street.

5th. You CAN mill up your own number on a peace of flat steel and weld it to the chassie and then have that number added to the notarized bill of sale along with the motor casting number and it will hold up in any court and can be used to insure the buggy also.

6th. Bite me. :D


1-5 are very redundant. as for six... i wouldnt give you the pleasure. haha.;)

if a dune buggy can be street legal surely his buggy can be also. note: my uncle has a buggy registered as a self built vehicle. AND it is titled. basically all VW parts though....

[Nuts]

My god you guys are arguing like an old married couple! I'm going to call the highway patrol tomorrow and see what they say,and I left a message with a lawyer,hopefully he'll asnwer some questions for me without raping me for a ton of cash!