SAS S10 or Ranger [Archive]

hotrod

12-06-2009, 09:56 AM

Coppertop

12-06-2009, 10:24 AM

Since I'm a ford guy my vote is Ranger... The rangers look good lifted and seem to be a good platform to work from. I'm not up on all the tricks of the wheeling trade for the ranger.
To busy doing the jeep cherokee thang.:D

Good luck

Nick

Go Bengals! WHO-DEY!!!

hotrod

12-06-2009, 10:42 AM

I have no brand loyalty, all the car companies are in bed together anymore anyway so there all the same to me. I grew up give me chevy or give me death, and imports suck lol. Look at me now, my DD is a Ford and my toy is an import lol Im just going to do whatever i get the best deal on i guess. I saw a ranger on here for sale that looks pretty killer, nothin special, just looks clean. He wants like $1300 for it now or trade for sammi, but my samurai is worth more than $1300.

Nuts

12-06-2009, 10:45 AM

I'd say trade the guy with the ranger if the sammy is streetable and has a title:D I'm selling it because I need something with a back seat.X-mas shoping with 2 kids in a ranger SUCKS!!!!

hotrod

12-06-2009, 11:03 AM

:D sammy is streetable and has a title, but the top and back seat are now MIA due to the cage that is getting installed as we speak.

sarge

12-06-2009, 12:31 PM

I have been doing tons of research on SAS on S-10/S-15 for the last several months getting ready for a project ...... **** I gave away a hint !!!

Front axle choice on the late model GM's is going to be Drivers drop,
Dana 30 jeep
Dana 44 jeep , scout , ford , late model dodge
Dana 60 ford or Late model dodge

I have a 79 ford F-250 dana 44 / dana 60 set getting ready to be slung under mine , I'm going for around 35"-37" tires on a streetable but fun trail rider.

Alot of guys are going Dana 30 / 8.8 to keep the bolt patterns the same .

hotrod

12-06-2009, 02:00 PM

thanks sarge i wondered about jeep axles but wasnt real sure of their strength

sarge

12-06-2009, 03:19 PM

The 30 is an OK axle as long as you are staying around the 33" tire range and are not going beat the hell out of it . The Dana 35 is junk ! thats why most people either leave the 10 bolt in the S trucks or go with the Ford 8.8 .

The 30 / 8.8 combo is very close in width to the factory S trucks.

Some guys use the old first gen. Bronco 44's and keep the coils but those are getting hard to find , junk yards are full of 30's and 8.8's.

hotrod

12-06-2009, 03:29 PM

Great info to know! Keep it comin! :beers:

Redriverranger

12-06-2009, 05:55 PM

I'm kinda partial to the ranger platform. Almost all from 90 forward had an 8.8, at least the 4.0 rangers. Though they were only 28 spline, 31 spline rears from explorers are plentiful and cheap and an easy swap. The front D35 was no slouch with the same u-joints as D44's. Don't mess with the 3.0 rangers if you want to build something for trail.

hotrod

12-06-2009, 07:02 PM

RD TRCTR

12-06-2009, 08:15 PM

I believe the track difference between a Ford 8.8 and a Dana 30 is about an inch. Adding a spacer on each side takes care of the problems.

If you go Dana 30 up front might as well go high pinion.

I believe Mike Shelton ran a 3.0 V6 in a Ranger truggy not too long ago.

RuffedUpXJ

12-06-2009, 09:04 PM

It's a 5/8" of a difference on each side so a 1.25" total. So you could even run with out the spacers.

sarge

12-06-2009, 10:47 PM

I ran no spacers and you could not tell .

hotrod

12-07-2009, 01:57 AM

ya, that would for sure be the last thing on my "to do" list is make up 5/8" on both sides

Redriverranger

12-07-2009, 09:52 PM

I believe Mike Shelton ran a 3.0 V6 in a Ranger truggy not too long ago.

It was a 4.0

Redriverranger

12-07-2009, 09:56 PM

I dont have much expierience with the 3.0l engines, why are they not good for off roading? underpowered? or just a bad engine all together?

I didn't say they were bad, just not optimal. The 4.0 trucks are at least as plentiful as the 3.0 trucks. The 3.0 is kind of by itself in compatibility. The 2.8, 2.9, and 4.0 all share the same bellhousing bolt pattern. This has advantages when tranny shopping. The 4.0's have good power.

hotrod

12-07-2009, 10:06 PM

I didn't say they were bad, just not optimal. The 4.0 trucks are at least as plentiful as the 3.0 trucks. The 3.0 is kind of by itself in compatibility. The 2.8, 2.9, and 4.0 all share the same bellhousing bolt pattern. This has advantages when tranny shopping. The 4.0's have good power.

ahh ha! i see, that makes since :beers:

JasonCJ7

12-07-2009, 10:25 PM

I have an 03 Ranger Ext Cab with the 4.0 auto and factory 4.10 gears I may be willing to sell.

All you need to find is a Dana 30 from a 4 cylinder wrangler which should have the 4.10 gears also.

hotrod

12-07-2009, 11:16 PM

I have an 03 Ranger Ext Cab with the 4.0 auto and factory 4.10 gears I may be willing to sell.

All you need to find is a Dana 30 from a 4 cylinder wrangler which should have the 4.10 gears also.

that would be awesome, the only thing is you would prolly want a lot more for it than what i would have. all i would have would be what i get out of the samurai :(

WrenchMonkey

12-08-2009, 01:12 AM

All you need to find is a Dana 30 from a 4 cylinder wrangler which should have the 4.10 gears also.

The TJ's were all low-pinion, weren't they?

The XJ's were high pinion through 99.

For that matter (shameless XJ plug) why start with IFS to begin with?

Do you need the open bed? For the work and money you'll have in it, you could build a helluvan XJ.

Hell, search hard enough, and there are still decent 'Manches out there!

Robert

sarge

12-08-2009, 10:11 AM

the big down fall of the XJ is lack of a frame !! nuff said :cool:

JasonCJ7

12-08-2009, 10:32 AM

It has been a great truck, and has towed my Jeep and trailer easily, just need a bigger truck for the family.

Want any more info let me know.

94Dodge Truggy

12-08-2009, 10:40 AM

It has been a great truck, and has towed my Jeep and trailer easily, just need a bigger truck for the family.

Want any more info let me know.

He may trade you the Samurai for this. The ranger would make a great truggy!

JasonCJ7

12-08-2009, 10:41 AM

Dont need a Sami just a bigger truck

jfiscus

12-08-2009, 04:53 PM

The TJ's were all low-pinion, weren't they?

The XJ's were high pinion through 99.

For that matter (shameless XJ plug) why start with IFS to begin with?

Do you need the open bed? For the work and money you'll have in it, you could build a helluvan XJ.

Hell, search hard enough, and there are still decent 'Manches out there!

Robert

Building on this info, why not buy a comanche??? They DO have a frame from the cab back unlike a cherokee if that is a worry to you. Already a solid axle D30 under the front and an 8.8 for the rear is just a junkyard away. 95% of ann parts are compatible with XJs; so parts are cheap and plentiful.

hotrod

12-08-2009, 07:07 PM

It has been a great truck, and has towed my Jeep and trailer easily, just need a bigger truck for the family.

Want any more info let me know.

Sammy isnt even close to being worth that kind of money, id never get that kind of money together, thanks tho, im sure its a great truck! :beers:

The TJ's were all low-pinion, weren't they?

The XJ's were high pinion through 99.

For that matter (shameless XJ plug) why start with IFS to begin with?

Do you need the open bed? For the work and money you'll have in it, you could build a helluvan XJ.

Hell, search hard enough, and there are still decent 'Manches out there!

Robert

I wanted a cherokee to start with before i even bought the sammy, just everyone i talked to with a cherokee didnt give me the time of day. id still love to have one, i think they look killer!

I just think trucks are cool, dont need the bed space, just look cool.

Maybe a noob questin but wtf is a 'Manch? or am i just not saying it right and dont recoginze it? lol

the big down fall of the XJ is lack of a frame !! nuff said :cool:

I know a guy that bought a kit to connect it all underneeth to make a "frame." un-unibody anyway, seems to be rock solid.

Hope Springs Hauler

12-08-2009, 07:14 PM

'Manche = Jeep Commanche Pickup (XJ plus frame minus backseat and extra roof)

hotrod

12-08-2009, 08:03 PM

ah ha, sorry guys working a little slow tonight, i feel like a tard now :o

WrenchMonkey

12-09-2009, 01:02 AM

ah ha, sorry guys working a little slow tonight, i feel like a tard now :o

That's okay, it apparently went over Jason' head, too. :D

They are great little trucks. The longbeds are a little much for offroading, but the shortbeds are fine, and a lot more common.

'Course, "common" is a relative term. They're definitely getting harder to find, and a lot of the ones that are left have been used hard.

But like I said, if you search hard enough, there are decent ones out there.

Robert

(Oh, and by the way, frames are way overrated! The unibody requires a little more work when mounting up stuff like bumpers, recovery, sliders, etc... But if you do it right, it'll work and hold up just fine!)

Wrangler X

12-09-2009, 12:42 PM

Im thinkin about selling/trading the sammi for an s10 or ranger. If i did i would eventually want to have a solid axle up front. What do guys use for these swaps? I dont really want to go full size axles bc id still want it streetable. I can prolly get my hands on a set of scout 44s and was thinking that would be a good start? If not, what do other people use? Thanks!

S10extremist.org is an s10/s15 website they have a whole section dealing with SAS. So they can tell you what you need to know, heck they even have plans for the crossmember for the front leaf spring mount. Check it out.

hotrod

12-09-2009, 06:53 PM

S10extremist.org is an s10/s15 website they have a whole section dealing with SAS. So they can tell you what you need to know, heck they even have plans for the crossmember for the front leaf spring mount. Check it out.

right on, thanks man!

itbrokeagain

12-09-2009, 07:57 PM

Do it right. By a Ford Raptor and be done:beers:

itbrokeagain

12-09-2009, 08:05 PM

That's okay, it apparently went over Jason' head, too. :D

They are great little trucks. The longbeds are a little much for offroading, but the shortbeds are fine, and a lot more common.

'Course, "common" is a relative term. They're definitely getting harder to find, and a lot of the ones that are left have been used hard.

But like I said, if you search hard enough, there are decent ones out there.

Robert

(Oh, and by the way, frames are way overrated! The unibody requires a little more work when mounting up stuff like bumpers, recovery, sliders, etc... But if you do it right, it'll work and hold up just fine!)

Another good thing to remember Commanche and a lot of Xj parts are swappable. Like the grill, headlights etc......

Flxratd

12-09-2009, 08:12 PM

found this one looks like a beast but might be a good deal http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/1494380760.html

hotrod

12-09-2009, 10:18 PM

found this one looks like a beast but might be a good deal http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/1494380760.html

what is with people and stacks on gassers??? cool lookin truck tho. i like how it says trade but no fords lol

WrenchMonkey

12-10-2009, 02:00 AM

found this one looks like a beast but might be a good deal http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/1494380760.html

There ya go!

If it's not completely rusted away, that'd be a great one!

Robert
(Come to the dark side!)

sarge

12-10-2009, 02:19 AM

what is with people and stacks on gassers??? cool lookin truck tho. i like how it says trade but no fords lol

What's with " STACKS " ????? gassers or oil burners..............

They belong on semi's ! and pretty much bring on the GHEY on anything else !

hotrod

12-10-2009, 09:07 AM

What's with " STACKS " ????? gassers or oil burners..............

They belong on semi's ! and pretty much bring on the GHEY on anything else !

I like stacks on pickups, diesels that is. But I like them on other peoples trucks, i couldnt bring myself to cut a hole in my bed lol