Rod End Question...

[biggin69]

I am trying to decide between Johny Joint type rod ends or hiems. I have found that buy the time you but everything needed for hiems, you are oretty close to the price of Johny Joints.

My question is do I need JJ's at both ends of my links or can I run bushings at the frame end and JJ's at the axle end?

Thanks!:beers:

[carwash]

JJ's at both ends if your budget allows for it. You won't be happy long term with the bushing at one end, unless you like slop, noise, and binding during flex.

[biggin69]

JJ's at both ends if your budget allows for it. You won't be happy long term with the bushing at one end, unless you like slop, noise, and binding during flex.

Thanks!

[JeffK5]

I have a set of weld on cartridge joints for sale if your interested..I prefer the threaded collar over the snap ring of a JJ.

[biggin69]

This jus came to mind....will JJ's on each end flex enough? Seems like the joint housing would hit the mounting tabs?

I know that I will get 45 different answers but here goes....Johny Joints or Hiems? If Hiems, what size is recommended?:confused:

[tinbeater]

This jus came to mind....will JJ's on each end flex enough? Seems like the joint housing would hit the mounting tabs?

I know that I will get 45 different answers but here goes....Johny Joints or Hiems? If Hiems, what size is recommended?:confused:

It will be fine. I have JJ on both end and dont get no were close to bottoming they out.

[biggin69]

It will be fine. I have JJ on both end and dont get no were close to bottoming they out.

Thanks!

[cheapthrills49]

3/4 heims and spacers would be PLENTY on a Sammie....if you dont plan on doing any street driving heim joints are fine


in my opinion they first invented jj or ballistic joints, (and all the other variations), TO BE EXACT REPLACEMENT INTO JEEP STAMPED SHEAT METAL JUNK BRACKETS!!!!!


im not running anything jeep on my toy!!!:D


try QS COMPONETS ........
they have all kinds of kits and im prity sure the Static Radial Load rating of 18,810lbs is plenty

http://racingrodends.com/

[biggin69]

3/4 heims and spacers would be PLENTY on a Sammie....if you dont plan on doing any street driving heim joints are fine


in my opinion they first invented jj or ballistic joints, (and all the other variations), TO BE EXACT REPLACEMENT INTO JEEP STAMPED SHEAT METAL JUNK BRACKETS!!!!!


im not running anything jeep on my toy!!!:D


try QS COMPONETS ........
they have all kinds of kits and im prity sure the Static Radial Load rating of 18,810lbs is plenty

http://racingrodends.com/

My rig will never see the street so I am thinking hiems will be what I go with. I was thinking 3/4" would be ok but I wanted to hear some opinions here rather than Pirate wher you need to run 12" hiems at minimun....:D
My rig started asa Sammy but will not have many Sammy prts on it when Iam through.

Thanks!:beers:

[biggin69]

So what are some other opinions on 3/4" hiems? I would like to hear some other opinions before I drop the hammer and order 16 of them....

[94Dodge Truggy]

What style and rating is on the heim? Not all are created the same by a long shot. You better buy atleast one extra for a trail spare also. :)

[biggin69]

What style and rating is on the heim? Not all are created the same by a long shot. You better buy atleast one extra for a trail spare also. :)

The ones that cheapthrills mentioned above from racing rod ends. They are 3/4" x 3/4" rated at 18,000 + pounds....

[yellowjacket]

The ones that cheapthrills mentioned above from racing rod ends. They are 3/4" x 3/4" rated at 18,000 + pounds....

go fish. definatly get the nicer ones. chromoly/teflon. i swear by QA1. think rated at 27000. i love wrenchin, but not on the trail.

[carwash]

in my opinion they first invented jj or ballistic joints, (and all the other variations), TO BE EXACT REPLACEMENT INTO JEEP STAMPED SHEAT METAL JUNK BRACKETS!!!!!


im not running anything jeep on my toy!!!:D

yer retarded... really.

[biggin69]

What about these? http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/78-rod-end-set-1-lh-1-rh-125-tube-id-p-361.html
7/8" 39,000 static load.

[tinbeater]

What about these? http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/78-rod-end-set-1-lh-1-rh-125-tube-id-p-361.html
7/8" 39,000 static load.

Kinda of overkill aint it.

[biggin69]

Kinda of overkill aint it.

I don't know. Is it? This is why I am asking before I by them. What would you recommend?

[94Dodge Truggy]

I 2nd qa1 3/4 teflon 27000 rating.

[carwash]

When a heim fails, it fails completely. You either lose a link or steering arm completely from the attachment point. If it's a link, your axle shifts and probably wastes a coilover or airshock.

When a JJ fails, it just gets sloppy and horribly loose. but you will still get off the trail and back to camp without wasting a $500 shock. And it's rebuildable with common tools and a large bolt. I carry the guts for one JJ with me and a rebuild tool, and I'm good to go.

That alone should help you make your decision. Everything breaks, it's a matter of damage control when it does happen.

[humpy]

i been runnin qa1 heims for a couple years now with some hard beatin and never had a problem...i think its a wash...heims all the way...if your doin both ends thats like 700-800 in joints to save a $240 shock???? does not make sense to me...especially never having a problem with them...

[94Dodge Truggy]

i been runnin qa1 heims for a couple years now with some hard beatin and never had a problem...i think its a wash...heims all the way...if your doin both ends thats like 700-800 in joints to save a $240 shock???? does not make sense to me...especially never having a problem with them...

It was a 500.00 shock. Coilovers run much higher than that. It may be a carWASH though. :D

[carwash]

I enjoy peace of mind when wheeling... i try to get rid of every possible break point. But, i speak from experience on the shock getting wasted. I don't recall who was at the badlands on that one... but i had a heim break and folded a swayawy coilover damn near in half.

Now, they were cheaper heims, i was young and retarded.. but i really dig the johnnies now. I guess it's run what you know... I would run some fat ass heims on a rig... they just get noisy too...

Both are good, just giving my reasons for why i run what i do.

[yellowjacket]

used to see ALL KINDS of rigs with tractor heims on the trail. pull up a seat, grab a drink, and watch the carnage... cause you just knew they put that much peace of mind into the rest of there truck, too.

[humpy]

I enjoy peace of mind when wheeling... i try to get rid of every possible break point. But, i speak from experience on the shock getting wasted. I don't recall who was at the badlands on that one... but i had a heim break and folded a swayawy coilover damn near in half.

Now, they were cheaper heims, i was young and retarded.. but i really dig the johnnies now. I guess it's run what you know... I would run some fat ass heims on a rig... they just get noisy too...

Both are good, just giving my reasons for why i run what i do.

i understand....was not a shot in any way...just sharing what i have in my very limited knowledge lol

[biggin69]

What about JJ's on the lowers and hiems on the uppers?

[jwend]

Imho, I think that any loss on the trail to a part that cost a little less than a part that almost completely eliminates the chance of a brake is kinda silly, for a little more money to buy the superior part and know you are good is worth alot of money to me. Think you waste one part you had the money to buy the jj's. I dont know about you but I drive a good ways to go wheeling and if i drove 4 or 6 hours to ride took the rig out for a little and broke wasting a shock and god knows what else to turn around and come home I would be pissed at myself for not spending a little more. I know it prob doesn't mean much but thats my thought.

[carwash]

That's a good option.... the uppers see a lot less lateral stress, it's more linear, as they dont come in contact much with the rocks, etc.

But I would still get good heims for your uppers, don't do some $15 jobs... you will be sorry.

[Redriverranger]

I like Currie johnny joints. I am not a big fan of some of the other look-alikes. I also run the trail gear joints, but think they loosened up a bit. The curries will survive for a long time. I also run heims. I broke one on a trac bar once, and one on a front control arm. The control arm one caused some other damage. After that point, I only buy very strong heims. A little extra expense for good joints with a very high static load rating is worth hundreds to me. My point is, either johnnies or heims are fine, just don't skimp on either. The lowers in my opinion should never have smaller than a 1" shank. 3/4" shank is fine for uppers. I run a mixture of 1 1/4" and 1" shank lowers, 1" shank uppers.

[carwash]

I have heard very bad things from quite a few peeps about the trail gear joints loosening up almost immediately. Noisy as hell and slacky slop in them.

I agree whole heartedly, whatever you go with, don't skimp.

[biggin69]

Bad News!!! I placed an order with Currie today and they called me and said that all Johnny Joints are on backorder until the end of May!!!:eek:

Whos joints should I buy now?

[bgwyllys61]

Ive been running the Ballistic joints for about a year, on my upper control arm, the only issue ive had is them loosening up a bit, but, you just tighten the preload back down and forget about it, just make sure to keep them greased up

[bgwyllys61]

if you need them to be adjustable, try these http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/Forged-Chromoly-263quot-Ballistic-Joint_p_1636.html

ive been running these with no problems, other than a tad bit of slop that i took out when i tightened them back down, basically the same joint as above, just no threaded stud
http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/263quot-Heavy-Duty-Ballistic-Joint_p_1226.html