I used to ride a Banshee there. I am in for going with the jeep. There were plenty of spots that would be fun to crawl around in.

Ive been to big rock at least or hundred or so times with my dirt bike and friends who ride quads and theres is some hairy stuff there for any type of vehicle you just have to know where to go.Most of it is in the back of the park where not alot of people go. I know the widow maker would be interesting to go up in a rig. You just basically have to pick a trail and go.lol.you will find hills and creek beds, along with some mud pits, and there are a few ponds that ive seen quads try to get through and lets just say it was deeper than they ever expected. point is you have to find the hills, i know when they first had it opened to rigs they were only allowed in a certain area and I believe it really wasnt that great for the rigs to have a wide variety of terrain. but best of luck to you all in your rigs ive been stranded in the park before with snapped handle bars and a buddy who had a dead battery but duke is always there to help in anyway.

March 7th. Lets go. Robert will you be running?

Full Size 4x4 Rules
 

From their site re:March 6th allowing full size rigs:
http://www.bigrockoffroadpark.com/ar...articleid=8610

4x4 Rules and Regulations

*Every person entering the park (all participants including passengers and spectators) will get a copy of the park rules, must fill out and sign a release of liability waiver.

*A parent or legal guardian must sign a release of liability waiver in the presence of a park staff member and must accompany any person under the age of 18.

*No alcohol or mind=altering substances, firearms, weapons or explosives are allowed on the property. All vehicles are subject to search at any time.

*No disorderly conduct

*Only full size 4x4 vehicles such as Jeeps/trucks/SUVs and 4x4 buggies are allowed. No sand/ rail buggies allowed.

All full sized off road vehicles must be insured and have the following:
-Mufflers
-At least one tow point
-Proper rollover protection including coverage for all passengers. NO backseat passengers allowed without above head roll bar protection.
-Full size spare tire or a tire big enough to get you out of the park
-Battery tie down (bungee cords do not count)
-Seat belts for all occupants
-Trash bags
-Tow strap (within the group)
-Safety flags are recommended
-Straps required for the safety of the trees

*Winches & lockers are highly recommended for the more difficult trails

*No one under the age of 18 is permitted to operate a full size vehicle within the park. All drivers must show a valid driver’s license and proof of insurance at time of check in.

*All operators and passengers must wear seat belts while vehicle is being operated. Infants and children must be restrained in legally required child safety seats

*Vehicles must travel in a group of 2 or more. Anyone found alone will be in violation of this rule, except in emergency situations.

There is a 5mph speed limit in the parking area and 15mph everywhere else in the park. The parking area is for parking. No tricks or horseplay! Please do not cause commotion or damage to other vehicles. Excessive speed and reckless driving will not be tolerated!


*All trails are 2-way!

*Please be courteous to oncoming traffic. The vehicle that can pull over with the least amount of difficulty should do so. Respect proper trail etiquette and do not block a trail.

*The terrain is constantly changing. Check each hill. Pre-ride all trails with caution!

*Stay within the boundaries of the park. Do not enter any property not owned by the park

*No littering! Please pick up all of your trash! Carry-in / Carry out

*Tread lightly. All participants must stay on designated trails. Do not blaze a new trail unless you have written permission from Big Rock Off Road Park management.

*Use tree saver straps, the correct size tree, etc.. Do not cut down trees. Anyone caught cutting down or removing trees will pay for that tree!

*No Rain checks or refunds for breakdowns

*Be courteous at all times

*Recovery is available at times, however there is a fee. Big Rock Off Road Park is not required nor should be expected to recover, repair or escort non-emergencies out of the park. Please have a way to get yourself out of the park if you are broken. Big Rock Off Road Park staff, if able to do so, will do their best to offer assistance.

*Big Rock Off Road Park personnel take these rules very seriously. Individuals failing to comply with park rules and safe operating procedures can at the very least be ejected from the park without refund and they may also be suspended from any 0future visits to the park as well. Penalty charges, in addition, may be assessed as indicated in the following:
$20 penalty charge if found alone, away from group
$50 penalty charge for disorderly conduct including, but not limited to speeding
$50 penalty charge for littering

*All abandoned vehicles will be recovered at the owner’s expense. Minimum of $150

Wow

No explosives, need a full size spare and proof of insurance. Guess I'm out:eek: :D

In all reality, I'm not paying for insurance for a vehicle that will never see the road.

Yeah, wow.

I was gonna post em up this morning, but Lisa beat me to it.

Honestly, though, I don't see much that's unreasonable. "No solo riding" is an unusual rule, but really not a bad idea.

I really think they're just being proactive, as was said, trying to avoid Haspin-status...

Or did I miss something?

Robert

<Edit> Crosspost w/ Hope... I'm sure the insurance is to target Haspin-contraptions. No different than most public land, is it?

My point is that if insurance only covers what you do on road, why worry about it as soon as you drive off road?

Same reason 491 won't let you trailer.

He's trying to keep out Rufus and Jimbob with their junkyard F250 on used 44s.

I assume...

Robert

yes,,, I talke to a few different insurance companys and once you leave the road they do not cover you.

So I guess I am out too then :(

Maybe you could tell him it's just a great big side-by-side?

Robert

I may go out on a limb here, but they say that if they are going to allow 4x4buggies, the insurance language is for the park libility insurance. I say this because I wonder how would you get insurance on something w/o a VIN, make or model.

I may try to go get insurance for a 2010 Dan's Screaming Squirrel :D Vin# = 1

Funny stuff there

Then I'll see if Fairfield will let me drive it on the street.:p

I agree with the insurance thing.i believe duke(the owner) is trying to keep away from big rock turning into another haspin.as far as trails go i think its smart to n not allow solo riders because it gets pretty risky just on quads and dirtbikes with just two guys.whenever i go i like to have at least three people that way if someone gets hurt or breaks down one can stay and the other can leave to get help especially if the people in the griup dont know the trails there that well. i have been in those situations needing assistance and its nice to have someone there to stay and one to go get help with experience with the trails. it can take 10 minutes or longer depending on trail conditions to get from the back of the park to the front for help with someone who knows how to get there. and for the spare tire regulations thats smart considering the trails there are somewhat difficult in areas. oh also watch out for trees in the middle of the trails especially on hills a buddy was going up on a qquad 3rd gear pinned and hit a rock and nailed a tree.

Solo riders getting stuck and him having to rescue them was a problem before, thus the reasoning behind the solo rule.

I would guess the insurance rule is is also to keep the unsafe, drunk guy in a barn built out of exhuast pipe tube buggy out. Probably if you showe dup in a respectable looking 4x4 rig you could slide through.

Ive been on several rdes where tags and insurance was mandontory but I was never asked for proof.

As far as insurance coving stuff, if I run into your vehicle out in the woods with my trail rig, your vehicle is covered as long as there is an accident report. This is base don what State Farm told me. My agent knows exactly what I use my BroncoII for and said any mishaps out in the woods will be covered.

there is some more ifno on thier facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/...4.738133441..1

I have talked to 3 different agents for 3 different companys start farm, progressice and all state and they all told me that if something happens out in the woods they would not cover it b/c it was not on a road and that is were ther coverage is good at.
that is the whole reason I do not have any insurace on my off road rigs now

I dont trailer very often anymore so I keep insurance for the purpose of street driving but I did look into what would happen if it rolled down a hill and smashed someone elses ride, as far as my agent is concerned if there is an accident report they will cover the other vehicle and passangers in it. Of course if they REALLY will or not, hopefully I never have to find out

Can't wait to check this place out.....I've seen the insurance rule in most parks and even hear clubs require it. Never have been asked to produce the proof though. I have always carried insurance,you never know... It's interesting to hear agents saying when you leave the road they won't cover you.

Nick

Agreed, if the rig is on the road, it needs insurance. If it is going to be trailered, then I don't see the need.

Also, food for thought, if it is liability that is a concern, an ATV can do some mean damage as well and is more likely to roll over or go out of control.

They're putting insurance restrictions on "full size" rigs to keep the extreme fringe wheelers out...they want a group of respectful , orderly off roaders with semi-built rigs.... that's where the money is.

I'd much rather flop down a hill in Carwash or Yellowjacket's "non-insured" tube rig than some street driven TJ with 35" mt's and a show bar.

I fail to see how they equate "insured" with "safe-to-wheel" as they don't have to go hand in hand and take a skilled eye to distinguish.

Thank you for articulating this in a non monetary fashion.:beers:

Well, I thought the insurance thing was pretty reasonable, but it looks like they're gonna be flexible on it anyway.

From facebook:

Robert

yeah asked the question to them about the insurance but he seems flexable on that due to most rigs are fab up tub rigs... and yes never wheel alone that is stupid... and if you break you better have a way to get it back out.. hence have your buddies tow you out..

Well, no offense, but I thought that bit was kind of a copout.

Very few rigs are truly fabbed from the ground up. Almost all are just modified production vehicles. They do have VINs, they could be titled, registered, and insured if you chose to.

I undertand they're not street driven (or roadworthy?) so it'd be a waste of money.

But it's not because they're VIN-less fabrications.

Robert