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93 Krawler 02-21-2016 06:17 PM
95 S-10 Truggy Build
 
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The base is a 95 S-10 ext cab. I will be using a lot of parts from my 93 full size PU.
This includes:
Front axle: 79 Ford hi pinion D60, locked, 35 spline chromo in and out, drive flanges & 5:38 gears
Rear axle: Ford 10.25, locked, stock shafts.
Engine: 05 5.3, currently stock "for now"
Trans: 4L60E
T-case: NP 241
Suspension seats
Fuel cell
Rear drive shaft

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The plan is to 4 link front and rear with ORI 16" struts all the way around. Cut the frame off at the rear of the cab and tube it. Trying to stay around 117" wheel base. The front will be chopped off close to the water pump. Will relocate the radiator to the rear. Tube the front and mount the winch up front.

Started on the interior today. It was nasty and there was a some alarm wiring mess that needed to come out. Someone put a push button to start it. I thought it was issues from the alarm, but it wasn't. After I got the mess out and hooked everything back up correctly, something is still wrong. When you turn the key on, it engages the starter. Sounds like the ignition switch. Gutted the interior and what a difference it made. The smell is mostly gone now. :d'oh:
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monkeystrong 02-21-2016 08:56 PM
Looks like a good plan. What's your timeline for completion?

93 Krawler 02-21-2016 10:17 PM
It really depends on funds. The shocks and links are a big chunk of money. I figure about two years max.

Runoveru2 02-22-2016 07:03 AM
Glad to hear you going with ORI

bbtank45 02-23-2016 04:40 PM
Ive had mixed opinions on the ORI's, none from personal experience of course. Why the decision to go the ORI route over a coil over?

Awesome build starting here Kevin. Let me know if i can ever lend a hand.

93 Krawler 02-23-2016 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by bbtank45 (Post 86101)
Ive had mixed opinions on the ORI's, none from personal experience of course. Why the decision to go the ORI route over a coil over?

Awesome build starting here Kevin. Let me know if i can ever lend a hand.
I like the rebound dampening the most. Not dealing with dialing in coils is a plus too. I have yet to see anyone that does what we do and not like them.

bbtank45 02-24-2016 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 93 Krawler (Post 86104)
I like the rebound dampening the most. Not dealing with dialing in coils is a plus too. I have yet to see anyone that does what we do and not like them.
Agreed. And, you essentially have built in air bumps. Tunability is endless as well.

One specific reason i went with coil overs instead of the ORI's....In the event of a roll over, or any damage to the shock an ORI has the potential to prevent wheeling the rest of a trip (putting your rig out of commision). CO's will continue to maintain ride height using the springs where an ORI or air shock will compress when pressure is lost. Mark's roll on Grapevine as an example.

93 Krawler 02-24-2016 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bbtank45 (Post 86106)
Agreed. And, you essentially have built in air bumps. Tunability is endless as well.

One specific reason i went with coil overs instead of the ORI's....In the event of a roll over, or any damage to the shock an ORI has the potential to prevent wheeling the rest of a trip (putting your rig out of commission). CO's will continue to maintain ride height using the springs where an ORI or air shock will compress when pressure is lost. Mark's roll on Grapevine as an example.
Makes sense. Hope I don't have that issue. I'll make sure mine are turned in and not out.

93 Krawler 02-25-2016 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Waffle (Post 86108)
Best part is, from now on when someone asks Kevin "how much are them purdy shocks?" I'll get to give Kevin that look he and others always gives me, lol.
:laughing: I hear ya. If anyone asks what your axle is I'm going to say it's one of them 10K axles. :rotf:

93 Krawler 02-25-2016 08:30 PM
Been looking at heims, and link kits. Some kits had larger lowers than uppers, some were the same size. Are 1 1/4 heims with 2" 1/4 wall tubes good for my lowers? Same for the uppers, or smaller. Buy the brackets or make them? I have a plasma cutter...
I thought the shocks were expensive, the heims are ridiculous. About a grand for 16 1 1/4 heims. :eek:

underpowered 02-25-2016 10:37 PM
1 1/4 is overkill for the lowers. granted, overkill is good, but 7/8" are fine. Most guys i know only run 7/8" without issue and is all i am running. Unless you beat it like a bouncer, you don't "need" 1 1/4 heims. especially on the uppers, they see far less stress than the lower do.

as for the tube, once again, overkill is not a bad thing and strength greatly depends on your over all length of the links themselves. a longer link will need a stronger material to better resist bending.

WrenchMonkey 02-26-2016 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 93 Krawler (Post 86110)
Are 1 1/4 heims with 2" 1/4 wall tubes good for my lowers? Same for the uppers, or smaller.
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Originally Posted by Waffle (Post 86111)
I wouldn't do anything less than 2" x 3/8" lowers and even that's sketchy. To me 1/4 wall links belong on a sami. When it comes to lowers overbuilt is a good thing...
Yeah, I run 2x025 on my XJ, and it's not much more than a sami.

I bet you could split the difference, though. 2 or 2.25 by 375 lowers on a 1.25 end, then smaller/lighter/cheaper uppers.

underpowered 02-26-2016 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Waffle (Post 86114)
Thing is, you're running 36" tires and a 10 bolt front axle where as Kevin currently runs 40" tires on 1 tons so that's not an equal comparison, you won't be wheeling where he does (no offense). Kevin might be seen at Haspin now and then, but this rig will live at the toughest obstacles at Harlan and Windrock where the stresses involved are much higher. We're talking about the need to not just survive class 5 obstacles, but the need to survive them over and over and over. Ever been in Rattlerock at Windrock from beginning to end? How about Grape Vine at Harlan in the rain? Ever see a heim break or pull out of it's threads? It's not pretty and has a tendacy to have a domino effect by breaking other parts, especially on a front 3 link. (a broken front 3 link heim can be so catastrophic that just getting it back to camp and on a trailer could be the biggest challenge). Btw, SRRS bouncers don't run $48 1-1/4" heims, they run the $100 ones at min on up to $150 a piece builder ball joints. Big difference. For example. You can buy a cheap 7/8" heim for $20 from one place or a higher quality Aurora 7/8" x 7/8" heims for $70 ea at another place. A cheap 1-1/4" for $48 ea or an Aurora 1-1/4" for $90. Lot's to consider here. It's all about compromises between strength/wear/cost/service life. FK is another good brand btw. Watch out for anything made in China. And remember, heim size is directly related to bolt and thread shank diameter.

I would never trust cheap 7/8 heims in 2" x 1/4" lower links on a 5k lb rig where this pic was taken.

Actually I am on one tons and 38.5's currently, it will be placed everywhere Kevin plans on taking his in Harlan, the badlands etc.. I understand the compromise, but as i said, it is not just me. A few guys i know (not on here) run nothing more than good 7/8" heims on their full size rigs. If you think you need 1 1/4, then by all means get them but i am just saying they are most likely overkill.

It is a lot of personal preference i guess. I'd have no concern with 2" 1/4 wall and 7/8" heims in that spot of your pic. Only time i have ever seen a 7/8" break is in a hard roll with lots of side load on them, but i've seen plenty of 1 1/4" break in that same situation as well.

93 Krawler 02-28-2016 10:49 AM
I was under my rig yesterday looking at everything I would have to transfer/redo on the s10 and decided it would better and quicker to just use the full size frame and put the s10 cab on it. My down time on the rig will probably be a little longer, but I think the overall time will be much quicker. Not having to take the drive train out will be a big help. I just have to decide when I want to stop wheelin the truck and tear it down. I still have the RZR to take on the trips.

I did some measuring and I like the numbers. :thumbup:


Full Size:                                    S-10:

Frame width - 45"                             Frame width - 34.5" (10.5" smaller)

Body width at rocker - 72"                    Body width at rocker - 61" (11" smaller)

Frame height - 9.5"                           Frame height - 5.5" - (4" smaller)

Cab length - 57"                              Cab length - 70" - (13" bigger)

Cab mount to top of cab - 52.5"               Cab mount to top of cab - 47.5" (5" shorter)

Overall height minus exo - 82"                Overall height after swap no exo - 77"

underpowered 02-28-2016 08:41 PM
Downtime will be longer, but overall build time should be shorter i would guess. seems like a pretty viable option.

93 Krawler 03-07-2016 10:30 PM
Been doing what I can till I rip the other one apart. Hit u pull for some parts. Replaced the ignition switch, and no more starter issues. Found a non a/c blower box to get rid of the huge a/c one. What a difference. Thanks Mark!! Had to replace most of the interior. Pulled the suspension seats out of rig to get them fitted in this one. I really like the space in the cab. I was expecting to feel cramped compared to the full size, but I wasn't at all. It is nice to be able to recline my seat without hitting the back window. Still looking for an auto console so the shifter will be between the seats. The stock 1500 4x4 shifter should work out in the s10 cab.
I decided to tear the rig apart after the Windrock trip in September. Hoping to have it done by the Harlan southern shine in May. That's about 9 months... :thumbup:

93 Krawler 05-19-2016 07:58 AM
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The cab comes off tonight. I will work on wiring and other interior stuff until its time to chop up the rig.

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93 Krawler 05-20-2016 11:09 AM
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The rest of the truck is gone. Now I can easily roll the cab around in the garage. Time to sort though some wiring and get rid of wires I dont need.

Runoveru2 05-20-2016 01:39 PM
Looking good :thumbup:

WrenchMonkey 05-20-2016 02:02 PM
Gone, or just out of the garage?

Cut that frame in two, bolt a coupler to the back half, and sell your new "trailer" for half what you paid for the truck!

:D

93 Krawler 05-20-2016 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by WrenchMonkey (Post 86539)
Gone, or just out of the garage?

Cut that frame in two, bolt a coupler to the back half, and sell your new "trailer" for half what you paid for the truck!

:D
Gone. Hit the scrap yard this morning. I got half of what I paid for the truck. $200 :thumbup:

Ky Mudhunter 05-21-2016 03:12 PM
Where did you take it that gave $200? Most places I have heard only offer $50-100 right now for scrap vehicles.

93 Krawler 05-21-2016 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Ky Mudhunter (Post 86545)
Where did you take it that gave $200? Most places I have heard only offer $50-100 right now for scrap vehicles.


Garden st on new haven rd. 110 a ton for unclean at 3120lbs. It was like $172 and I had a few radiators and some brass to go along with it. Together it was $196.

93 Krawler 10-03-2016 08:58 PM
Almost time to start chopping. After Harlan, it's on... :thumbup:

jeepmanjeff 10-04-2016 05:47 PM
Cool...what suspension?


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