What is this worth?

biggin69 · 11-27-2009, 03:33 PM

What is this cage worth? I am thinking of buying it to use on my Sammy. It is 1 1/2" .120" DOM Tubing. Does it look safe? I was hoping someone could tell me as I am going to look at it tomorrow. Thanks Guys!

94Dodge Truggy · 11-27-2009, 04:06 PM

any side shots?

biggin69 · 11-27-2009, 04:31 PM

Here is one...

GPER · 11-27-2009, 09:20 PM

Make sure all of the welds are good, there are NO dents in the tubing and the over all structure has not been tweaked.

94Dodge Truggy · 11-27-2009, 10:42 PM

bends are sharp. not the best but are you entering the pro circuit with it? what type of tubing used? and wall thickness? I made my 1st truggy and brought it to haspin and ghost rolled it down a hill for a test before I ran it.

biggin69 · 11-28-2009, 07:49 AM

1 1/2" x .120" DOM Tubing. Haspin is about the only place I go.

biggin69 · 11-29-2009, 05:32 PM

Well I bought it today. Now I am going to spend all winter switching things over. Should I four link the front while I have it apart?

fabricator · 11-29-2009, 05:50 PM

um.....yes

biggin69 · 11-29-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by fabricator

um.....yes

I figured that was a stupd question. Now If I only had the know how....:confused:

kb9qdi · 11-29-2009, 07:07 PM

Good time to learn while its apart. I'm sure there plenty people around willing to lend a hand or help with questions. Thats what its all about.

biggin69 · 11-29-2009, 08:01 PM

I agree. This club is full of some great people.

My first question: Where do I start with the four link?

buckeyezuk · 11-29-2009, 08:04 PM

maybe decide on a wheelbase for axle placement.....

biggin69 · 11-29-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by buckeyezuk

maybe decide on a wheelbase for axle placement.....

I was thinking 100". Is thiss good? It is at 91"ish right now.

cheapthrills49 · 11-30-2009, 01:25 PM

now u need 2 decide what type of link set up u want.....i would suggest a 3-link for the front or double tri-angulated 4-link

94Dodge Truggy · 11-30-2009, 01:36 PM

100'' is good for alot of different terrain and a light drivetrain. Axles, motor, steering, gearing etc...? :confused:

mckeddie · 11-30-2009, 05:11 PM

i'd want a zuk to be around 96-99'' for crawling, and closer to 103'' if you plan on doing some hillclimbs too. that is going to depend on your tire sizes too. 103'' is what my plan for the zuk im' hopefully picking up this weekend will end up on 40'' red labels.

greg

biggin69 · 11-30-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 94Dodge Truggy

100'' is good for alot of different terrain and a light drivetrain. Axles, motor, steering, gearing etc...? :confused:

Axles = Dana 44's, Motor = 1.6 8v, Gearing = 5.13 diffs & 4.5:1 T-Case...

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckeddie

i'd want a zuk to be around 96-99'' for crawling, and closer to 103'' if you plan on doing some hillclimbs too. that is going to depend on your tire sizes too. 103'' is what my plan for the zuk im' hopefully picking up this weekend will end up on 40'' red labels.

greg

I plan on doing a little of everything. Mostly trails like Haspin and The Badlands. I may shoot for 105"? This is all new to me.

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Originally Posted by cheapthrills49

now u need 2 decide what type of link set up u want.....i would suggest a 3-link for the front or double tri-angulated 4-link

As I stated above, this is all new to me. Why would you recommend a three link? Is it all worth it? It already has YJ springs up front?

RuffedUpXJ · 11-30-2009, 05:55 PM

A three link is easier to design for the front because it takes up less space and the driveshaft can be hard to get a link in around. Also it will bind up less with there being less links.

mckeddie · 11-30-2009, 06:28 PM

i like the idea of a 3 link for 2 reasons. 1) packaging is easier as mentioned above, it was a nightmare getting a dual triangulated 4 link to work on my jeep, the driveshaft was hard to miss with the upper link (resolved with a 2'' taller than wanted rideheight, and a bent upper link to clear). 2) you can still run mechanical steering with hydro assist, as the track bar keeps the axle located in line with the drag link through the axles arc, going 4 link will require full hydro. the main problems i have with the 3 link is the side to side swing of hte axle through the range of motion (again, from the trac bar), and the fact that if you break an upper, and you are running airshocks or coilovers, you just broke alot more than a heim or bushing, you also probably ripped the end off of your $hock.

you're going to need ot take tire size seriously into to consideration with your wheelbase too, you don't want ot be hung up on your belly everytime you come over somethinng.

biggin69 · 11-30-2009, 06:35 PM

I currently am running 36" tires and do not want to go any bigger. I also already have full hydro steering.

TheJeepGuy · 11-30-2009, 07:54 PM

I beleive this cage has a alot of potential,but inorder to be safe and strong,I would move and add some tubes that are more functional.REMEMBER,SAFETY FIRST.Good luck and have fun with your build.Also,sounds like the guys over on PIRATE4X4 are giving you some good advise also.

biggin69 · 11-30-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheJeepGuy

I beleive this cage has a alot of potential,but inorder to be safe and strong,I would move and add some tubes that are more functional.REMEMBER,SAFETY FIRST.Good luck and have fun with your build.Also,sounds like the guys over on PIRATE4X4 are giving you some good advise also.

Where would you recommend placing the tubes? Modify the pics in Paint please?

There are some great people on Pirate and there are as many, if not more douche bags that think just because you are new, you are garbage.

TheJeepGuy · 12-01-2009, 12:32 AM

[QUOTE=biggin69;30674]Where would you recommend placing the tubes? Modify the pics in Paint please?

Sorry, don't do paint,but the tubes I was refering to is the main hoop which is directly behind your seats should have a X design for strength in the event of a rollover.Sometimes flops are very violent,also the long tubes running from the main hoop down to your rear shock mounting area could be moved out to the 90 degree bend of the main hoop for additional strength.No one likes to rollover,but if you do,you need all the protection you can get.

biggin69 · 12-01-2009, 04:57 PM

[QUOTE=TheJeepGuy;30681]

Quote:

Originally Posted by biggin69

Where would you recommend placing the tubes? Modify the pics in Paint please?

Sorry, don't do paint,but the tubes I was refering to is the main hoop which is directly behind your seats should have a X design for strength in the event of a rollover.Sometimes flops are very violent,also the long tubes running from the main hoop down to your rear shock mounting area could be moved out to the 90 degree bend of the main hoop for additional strength.No one likes to rollover,but if you do,you need all the protection you can get.

humpy · 12-02-2009, 01:49 PM

[QUOTE=TheJeepGuy;30681][QUOTE=biggin69;30674}
No one likes to rollover[/QUOTE]

SAYS WHO???? lol

11-27-2009, 03:33 PM	#1
biggin69 Really??? Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Cincy Posts: 678	What is this worth? What is this cage worth? I am thinking of buying it to use on my Sammy. It is 1 1/2" .120" DOM Tubing. Does it look safe? I was hoping someone could tell me as I am going to look at it tomorrow. Thanks Guys!

11-27-2009, 04:06 PM	#2
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	any side shots? __________________

11-27-2009, 04:31 PM	#3
biggin69 Really??? Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Cincy Posts: 678	Here is one... Attached Images

11-27-2009, 10:42 PM	#5
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	bends are sharp. not the best but are you entering the pro circuit with it? what type of tubing used? and wall thickness? I made my 1st truggy and brought it to haspin and ghost rolled it down a hill for a test before I ran it. __________________

11-29-2009, 05:50 PM	#8
fabricator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cincy, Oh Posts: 947	um.....yes __________________ For you guys who can't drive, I have owned a frame rack for several years. Prices are based on your skill and ability to wreck it....

11-27-2009, 09:20 PM	#4
GPER Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kettering, Ohio Posts: 811	Make sure all of the welds are good, there are NO dents in the tubing and the over all structure has not been tweaked.

11-28-2009, 07:49 AM	#6
biggin69 Really??? Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Cincy Posts: 678	1 1/2" x .120" DOM Tubing. Haspin is about the only place I go.

11-29-2009, 05:32 PM	#7
biggin69 Really??? Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Cincy Posts: 678	Well I bought it today. Now I am going to spend all winter switching things over. Should I four link the front while I have it apart?

11-29-2009, 07:07 PM	#10
kb9qdi Storm Chaser Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Harrison,Ohio Posts: 142	Good time to learn while its apart. I'm sure there plenty people around willing to lend a hand or help with questions. Thats what its all about. __________________ 06 TJ, 8.8 Aussied, 4.88's and 35" KM2's

11-29-2009, 08:01 PM	#11
biggin69 Really??? Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Cincy Posts: 678	I agree. This club is full of some great people. My first question: Where do I start with the four link?

11-29-2009, 08:04 PM	#12
buckeyezuk wheeler Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: bethel Posts: 134	4 link maybe decide on a wheelbase for axle placement..... __________________ ZUKI linked f/r 16v air shocks cut 39.5" tsl. exod. full hydro F/R. rear steer.

11-30-2009, 01:25 PM	#14
cheapthrills49 VANILLA GORILLA Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: blanmolester, ohio.......stonelick lake Posts: 192	now u need 2 decide what type of link set up u want.....i would suggest a 3-link for the front or double tri-angulated 4-link __________________ I EAT BURRITOS ON EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!

11-30-2009, 01:36 PM	#15
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	100'' is good for alot of different terrain and a light drivetrain. Axles, motor, steering, gearing etc...? :confused: __________________

11-30-2009, 05:11 PM	#16
mckeddie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: van wert oh Posts: 583	i'd want a zuk to be around 96-99'' for crawling, and closer to 103'' if you plan on doing some hillclimbs too. that is going to depend on your tire sizes too. 103'' is what my plan for the zuk im' hopefully picking up this weekend will end up on 40'' red labels. greg __________________ zuk buggy.....it'll be a jeep eventually.

11-30-2009, 05:55 PM	#18
RuffedUpXJ On XJ 2 Now Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Fairfield Twp. Posts: 314	A three link is easier to design for the front because it takes up less space and the driveshaft can be hard to get a link in around. Also it will bind up less with there being less links. __________________ 88 XJ - 5" lift - 35" BFG's - Bumpers - Rock Rails - Homebrewed OBA - Roof Rack - Tube Doors - Trimmed - Dented 87 XJ - D44 - Disco D30 - 235's - 231TC - Stock for now

11-30-2009, 06:28 PM	#19
mckeddie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: van wert oh Posts: 583	i like the idea of a 3 link for 2 reasons. 1) packaging is easier as mentioned above, it was a nightmare getting a dual triangulated 4 link to work on my jeep, the driveshaft was hard to miss with the upper link (resolved with a 2'' taller than wanted rideheight, and a bent upper link to clear). 2) you can still run mechanical steering with hydro assist, as the track bar keeps the axle located in line with the drag link through the axles arc, going 4 link will require full hydro. the main problems i have with the 3 link is the side to side swing of hte axle through the range of motion (again, from the trac bar), and the fact that if you break an upper, and you are running airshocks or coilovers, you just broke alot more than a heim or bushing, you also probably ripped the end off of your $hock. you're going to need ot take tire size seriously into to consideration with your wheelbase too, you don't want ot be hung up on your belly everytime you come over somethinng. __________________ zuk buggy.....it'll be a jeep eventually.

11-30-2009, 06:35 PM	#20
biggin69 Really??? Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Cincy Posts: 678	I currently am running 36" tires and do not want to go any bigger. I also already have full hydro steering.

11-30-2009, 07:54 PM	#21
TheJeepGuy Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 25	I beleive this cage has a alot of potential,but inorder to be safe and strong,I would move and add some tubes that are more functional.REMEMBER,SAFETY FIRST.Good luck and have fun with your build.Also,sounds like the guys over on PIRATE4X4 are giving you some good advise also.

12-01-2009, 12:32 AM	#23
TheJeepGuy Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 25	[QUOTE=biggin69;30674]Where would you recommend placing the tubes? Modify the pics in Paint please? Sorry, don't do paint,but the tubes I was refering to is the main hoop which is directly behind your seats should have a X design for strength in the event of a rollover.Sometimes flops are very violent,also the long tubes running from the main hoop down to your rear shock mounting area could be moved out to the 90 degree bend of the main hoop for additional strength.No one likes to rollover,but if you do,you need all the protection you can get.

12-02-2009, 01:49 PM	#25
humpy Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 573	[QUOTE=TheJeepGuy;30681][QUOTE=biggin69;30674} No one likes to rollover[/QUOTE] SAYS WHO???? lol