Question for fire folks...

KargoMaster · 12-06-2009, 03:18 PM

CFD 5, or anyone else that may know or have an opinion...

Should I have a Health, Flamability, Reactivity warning label on the outside of the garage?
Seems like these are more for liquid chemicals, but does anyone else post it just to keep our service(wo)men safer?

Last thing I want is for someone to go running in if the Acetylene tank is gonna explode...

By the way, I'm thinking that I need to wear one of these at all times on my person with a 1 in the Blue (Health) part...

1 = Caution - May be irritating

sarge · 12-06-2009, 03:32 PM

I'm gonna say no ! you can't expect everyone to post it. So you must assume that every garage,shop,house ...etc. has hazards such as these.

Angie says I should have to wear one ! something about methane !!

KargoMaster · 12-06-2009, 04:03 PM

Yeah, I see your point about assuming the worst, but I guess I was wondering if removing that assumption by posting the warning label might be beneficial... maybe it's just me... :confused:

Thanks for chiming in "your gasiousness"

gothodgie · 12-06-2009, 05:19 PM

I know the fire cheif told me that they always expect the worse...

my garage burnt down in Nov last year and i had all of the bad stuff, laquer thinner, paint scraps, old oil, gas cans, torches, etc... i was lucky, i think the only things that i thnk exploded was the gas cans and laquer thinner.... the fire stayed high in the building with 8 tires in the rafters...

it was a 3 alarm....
lost a lot but it all worked out in the end...:)

carwash · 12-06-2009, 06:11 PM

Oh i would cry like a little ***** if my shop burned like that.

redcj3a · 12-06-2009, 06:38 PM

Brad,

Personally, I wouldn't worry about placing the NFPA markings on your garage. Like Hodgie said, the fire personnel will assume there are hazards in a garage typically associated with a garage. Those hazards being gasoline, paints, gas grill propane tanks, insecticides, pesticides and such.

The lead seals in the acetylene bottles should melt and actually be safer than a one gallon metal gasoline can without any vents. The acetylene bottle will vent whereas the gallon can could essentially BLEVE. One problem with the acetylene is that an errant hose stream from a firefighter could extinguish the flame at the point of the safety valves and then acetylene would then feed into the structure until it finds an ignition point. With the flammable range of acetylene being as wide as it is it will reignite.

If you are home and a fire breaks out, try your best to meet the officer of the first arriving unit and inform him/her of the tanks. That will be one more piece of information for them to use in sizing up the situation and executing an attack on the fire.

John

12-06-2009, 03:18 PM	#1
KargoMaster Cleaning off the rust... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,009	Question for fire folks... CFD 5, or anyone else that may know or have an opinion... Should I have a Health, Flamability, Reactivity warning label on the outside of the garage? Seems like these are more for liquid chemicals, but does anyone else post it just to keep our service(wo)men safer? Last thing I want is for someone to go running in if the Acetylene tank is gonna explode... By the way, I'm thinking that I need to wear one of these at all times on my person with a 1 in the Blue (Health) part... 1 = Caution - May be irritating __________________ brad 5.0L \| 435 \| 203 \| 300 \| 4.10 \| 39.5 Buildup BACK underway...

12-06-2009, 04:03 PM	#3
KargoMaster Cleaning off the rust... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,009	Yeah, I see your point about assuming the worst, but I guess I was wondering if removing that assumption by posting the warning label might be beneficial... maybe it's just me... :confused: Thanks for chiming in "your gasiousness" __________________ brad 5.0L \| 435 \| 203 \| 300 \| 4.10 \| 39.5 Buildup BACK underway...

12-06-2009, 05:19 PM	#4
gothodgie Join Date: May 2009 Location: loveland Posts: 843 Images: 49	I know the fire cheif told me that they always expect the worse... my garage burnt down in Nov last year and i had all of the bad stuff, laquer thinner, paint scraps, old oil, gas cans, torches, etc... i was lucky, i think the only things that i thnk exploded was the gas cans and laquer thinner.... the fire stayed high in the building with 8 tires in the rafters... it was a 3 alarm.... lost a lot but it all worked out in the end...:) Attached Thumbnails __________________ chris hodges 96 fzj80 3x locked, 4"lift, 37s, homebrew sliders and bumpers,a work in progress 71 fj55, SOA, locked...The jungle bus... retired

12-06-2009, 06:11 PM	#5
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	Oh i would cry like a little ***** if my shop burned like that. __________________

12-06-2009, 06:38 PM	#6
redcj3a Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Middletown Posts: 118	Brad, Personally, I wouldn't worry about placing the NFPA markings on your garage. Like Hodgie said, the fire personnel will assume there are hazards in a garage typically associated with a garage. Those hazards being gasoline, paints, gas grill propane tanks, insecticides, pesticides and such. The lead seals in the acetylene bottles should melt and actually be safer than a one gallon metal gasoline can without any vents. The acetylene bottle will vent whereas the gallon can could essentially BLEVE. One problem with the acetylene is that an errant hose stream from a firefighter could extinguish the flame at the point of the safety valves and then acetylene would then feed into the structure until it finds an ignition point. With the flammable range of acetylene being as wide as it is it will reignite. If you are home and a fire breaks out, try your best to meet the officer of the first arriving unit and inform him/her of the tanks. That will be one more piece of information for them to use in sizing up the situation and executing an attack on the fire. John __________________ 1950 CJ3A. Oddfire 225 V6, T-86 transmission, Dana 18 transfer case, 4 wheel disc brakes, locked front and rear. Manual saginaw steering. Warn winch, 9,000#.

12-06-2009, 03:32 PM	#2
sarge Pure Bacon Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Trenton, Oh Posts: 1,098	I'm gonna say no ! you can't expect everyone to post it. So you must assume that every garage,shop,house ...etc. has hazards such as these. Angie says I should have to wear one ! something about methane !!