Bad stuff

itbrokeagain · 10-18-2012, 05:45 PM

The story. Pinion seal was leaking. Changed it and called the local Landcruiser guy for a torque spec on the pinion nut. Apparently 181ft/lb is too much. The pinion bearings are gone. The pinion got into the carrier and destroyed it to the point that it needs to be cut out. :banghead:

yellowjacket · 10-18-2012, 06:39 PM

Wow

coachholland · 10-18-2012, 06:53 PM

I don't understand you're username???

gothodgie · 10-18-2012, 08:30 PM

dam that's ugly

... are the axles ok ?

itbrokeagain · 10-18-2012, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gothodgie

dam that's ugly

... are the axles ok ?

They are but I hope I don't have to destroy them to get the third member out.

humpy · 10-18-2012, 08:54 PM

Your first indication shoulda been 181 ft/lb... I would think 80-100 woulda done it

itbrokeagain · 10-18-2012, 08:57 PM

Yes but no. I found out it goes off of rotational torque with the pinion nut not being torqued more than 253 ft/lb.

humpy · 10-18-2012, 09:28 PM

If it's a crush sleeve setup we never use torque wrench.. Do it by feel never had a problem

94Dodge Truggy · 10-18-2012, 09:30 PM

Wonder if you could put a 1/4 stick in there to help it fly out of there?

itbrokeagain · 10-18-2012, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by humpy

If it's a crush sleeve setup we never use torque wrench.. Do it by feel never had a problem

It is a crush sleeve. This was the first Toyota axle I have worked on. I had no idea called the local Landcruiser guy he said 181 ft/lb. I had no reason not to believe him. He has done good on everything else I have asked him.

gothodgie · 10-18-2012, 10:48 PM

i have always just hit them with the impact and was good...

monkeystrong · 10-18-2012, 11:30 PM

Give me a shout if you need some help.

itbrokeagain · 10-18-2012, 11:53 PM

Who knows. Maybe its coincidence. I was surprised at the massiveness of my shafts though. Thanks for the offer Andy. It should be back together Saturday.

tjjeepjeep · 10-19-2012, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itbrokeagain

I was surprised at the massiveness of my shafts though.

All men are

mike shelton · 10-19-2012, 08:29 AM

toyota axles are larger than dana 60,s. by far !!!!

flatlander757 · 10-19-2012, 09:45 AM

Looks like your pinion was all like "nom nom nom" on your carrier

Yeah... crush sleeve axles you NEVER... EVER go with any kind of "torque spec" for the nut(despite what any factory manual says). You tighten then nut until all play is out of the bearings(pinion not flopping around), then you torque it until there is sufficient preload... not sure about Toy axles but Dana axles normally go for about 10-20in-lbs or rotating torque and it's good. Now if you happen to go over the 200 whatever ft-lb "spec" or whatever it may be... and there is still play in the bearings... you have a bad crush sleeve and you gotta replace it because it's not deforming like it should.

When it comes to replacing a seal on a crush sleeve axle, you use a chisel to mark the pinion nut and the pinion shaft in relation to each other... then remove and do what you gotta do, when you reinstall, you torque the nut down until the marks line up, and maybe 1-2mm more at the most. Also always use threadlock when reusing the pinion nut since they're technically one time use interference lock-nuts.

Here are a few regear write-ups I've done, skip towards the end about pinion preload for the parts applicable to you.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/re...tj-d44-970997/

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f19/r...xj-d44-992471/

Actually... read the whole thing and just substitute your Toyota specs for the ones I have listed... it looks like you'll be regearing it anyway

94Dodge Truggy · 10-19-2012, 04:15 PM

[QUOTE=flatlander757;70116]Looks like your pinion was all like "nom nom nom" on your carrier

Kinda like Cookie Monster style?

itbrokeagain · 10-19-2012, 01:37 PM

That's good stuff. Everything I have messed with has been Dana stuff. Tighten the pinion nut and done. Unfortunately now I know.

itbrokeagain · 10-19-2012, 05:11 PM

Very much cookie monster style. I don't think a ¼ stick will solve this problem

Coppertop · 10-20-2012, 01:22 PM

Wow Tony looks like you caught it just in time.Otherwise it might have took a 1/4 stick to get it apart..

Nick

itbrokeagain · 10-20-2012, 03:24 PM

Had to cut the cross pin out with a torch. The rest of the job was mostly uneventful. Mostly.

Special thanks to Wrenchmonkey. He help me put this all back together. Took some video I will try to post up later.

10-18-2012, 05:45 PM	#1
itbrokeagain Just Empty Every Pocket - CORE Member - Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Amelia Posts: 1,435	Bad stuff The story. Pinion seal was leaking. Changed it and called the local Landcruiser guy for a torque spec on the pinion nut. Apparently 181ft/lb is too much. The pinion bearings are gone. The pinion got into the carrier and destroyed it to the point that it needs to be cut out. :banghead: __________________ 91 fj 80 on 37 Nitto Muds with a 10k winch. Cage and sliders coming soon.

10-18-2012, 06:39 PM	#2
yellowjacket barely breathing Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: alexandria, ky Posts: 889	Wow __________________ my next rig will be on the trail before zuk 2.0 will

10-18-2012, 06:53 PM	#3
coachholland Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Winchester, KY Posts: 68	I don't understand you're username??? __________________ Just another three linked stretched '95 YJ on 38s with a bunch of stuff scattered on the garage floor.

10-18-2012, 08:30 PM	#4
gothodgie Join Date: May 2009 Location: loveland Posts: 843 Images: 49	dam that's ugly ... are the axles ok ? __________________ chris hodges 96 fzj80 3x locked, 4"lift, 37s, homebrew sliders and bumpers,a work in progress 71 fj55, SOA, locked...The jungle bus... retired

10-18-2012, 08:54 PM	#6
humpy Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 573	Your first indication shoulda been 181 ft/lb... I would think 80-100 woulda done it __________________ S10 with a few air shocks..

10-18-2012, 08:57 PM	#7
itbrokeagain Just Empty Every Pocket - CORE Member - Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Amelia Posts: 1,435	Yes but no. I found out it goes off of rotational torque with the pinion nut not being torqued more than 253 ft/lb. __________________ 91 fj 80 on 37 Nitto Muds with a 10k winch. Cage and sliders coming soon.

10-18-2012, 09:28 PM	#8
humpy Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 573	If it's a crush sleeve setup we never use torque wrench.. Do it by feel never had a problem __________________ S10 with a few air shocks..

10-18-2012, 09:30 PM	#9
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	Wonder if you could put a 1/4 stick in there to help it fly out of there? __________________

10-18-2012, 10:48 PM	#11
gothodgie Join Date: May 2009 Location: loveland Posts: 843 Images: 49	i have always just hit them with the impact and was good... __________________ chris hodges 96 fzj80 3x locked, 4"lift, 37s, homebrew sliders and bumpers,a work in progress 71 fj55, SOA, locked...The jungle bus... retired

10-18-2012, 11:30 PM	#12
monkeystrong Señor Monkey Join Date: May 2012 Location: Georgetown, Ohio Posts: 185	Give me a shout if you need some help.

10-18-2012, 11:53 PM	#13
itbrokeagain Just Empty Every Pocket - CORE Member - Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Amelia Posts: 1,435	Who knows. Maybe its coincidence. I was surprised at the massiveness of my shafts though. Thanks for the offer Andy. It should be back together Saturday. __________________ 91 fj 80 on 37 Nitto Muds with a 10k winch. Cage and sliders coming soon.

10-19-2012, 08:29 AM	#15
mike shelton Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: waco ky Posts: 211	toyota axles are larger than dana 60,s. by far !!!!

10-19-2012, 09:45 AM	#16
flatlander757 Fartface extrordinair Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: West Carrollton Posts: 127	Looks like your pinion was all like "nom nom nom" on your carrier Yeah... crush sleeve axles you NEVER... EVER go with any kind of "torque spec" for the nut(despite what any factory manual says). You tighten then nut until all play is out of the bearings(pinion not flopping around), then you torque it until there is sufficient preload... not sure about Toy axles but Dana axles normally go for about 10-20in-lbs or rotating torque and it's good. Now if you happen to go over the 200 whatever ft-lb "spec" or whatever it may be... and there is still play in the bearings... you have a bad crush sleeve and you gotta replace it because it's not deforming like it should. When it comes to replacing a seal on a crush sleeve axle, you use a chisel to mark the pinion nut and the pinion shaft in relation to each other... then remove and do what you gotta do, when you reinstall, you torque the nut down until the marks line up, and maybe 1-2mm more at the most. Also always use threadlock when reusing the pinion nut since they're technically one time use interference lock-nuts. Here are a few regear write-ups I've done, skip towards the end about pinion preload for the parts applicable to you. http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/re...tj-d44-970997/ http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f19/r...xj-d44-992471/ Actually... read the whole thing and just substitute your Toyota specs for the ones I have listed... it looks like you'll be regearing it anyway

10-19-2012, 04:15 PM	#17
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	[QUOTE=flatlander757;70116]Looks like your pinion was all like "nom nom nom" on your carrier Kinda like Cookie Monster style? __________________

10-19-2012, 01:37 PM	#18
itbrokeagain Just Empty Every Pocket - CORE Member - Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Amelia Posts: 1,435	That's good stuff. Everything I have messed with has been Dana stuff. Tighten the pinion nut and done. Unfortunately now I know. __________________ 91 fj 80 on 37 Nitto Muds with a 10k winch. Cage and sliders coming soon.

10-19-2012, 05:11 PM	#19
itbrokeagain Just Empty Every Pocket - CORE Member - Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Amelia Posts: 1,435	Very much cookie monster style. I don't think a ¼ stick will solve this problem __________________ 91 fj 80 on 37 Nitto Muds with a 10k winch. Cage and sliders coming soon.

10-20-2012, 01:22 PM	#20
Coppertop XJWHEELING Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Colerain Township Posts: 837	Wow Tony looks like you caught it just in time.Otherwise it might have took a 1/4 stick to get it apart.. Nick __________________ Just a 200 dollar cherokee that wouldn't start .. Ten years later same chrome grille ..

10-20-2012, 03:24 PM	#21
itbrokeagain Just Empty Every Pocket - CORE Member - Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Amelia Posts: 1,435	Had to cut the cross pin out with a torch. The rest of the job was mostly uneventful. Mostly. Special thanks to Wrenchmonkey. He help me put this all back together. Took some video I will try to post up later. __________________ 91 fj 80 on 37 Nitto Muds with a 10k winch. Cage and sliders coming soon.