buggy will not start - Page 3

94Dodge Truggy · 03-14-2007, 04:18 PM

$300.00 reward to the fellar who can get it running like it should.

KargoMaster · 03-14-2007, 04:28 PM

The quote from JN musta been pretty bad... :(

carwash · 03-14-2007, 04:42 PM

electrical problems have got to be the most aggravating in the world on a vehicle...

hope you get it figured out man. gotta be somebody on here that can fix it.

94Dodge Truggy · 03-14-2007, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KargoMaster

The quote from JN musta been pretty bad... :(

The quote was good, but my enclosed trailer will not be in until 3-21-07 and I am impatient. Plus the thing will be a pain to get over there with no power.

carwash · 03-14-2007, 04:57 PM

$50 tow? gotta be someone that could get it there for you.

blazerbrad · 03-14-2007, 05:28 PM

If you get a chance, do this to the ASD relay.......... pull the relay and check the resistance between 85 and 86. Then probe cavity A on the PDC for voltage.

If it's the auto-theft, then I'm not sure what to do. With the diagnostic tool it takes about 10 seconds to see if that is the issue (not trying to be a prick or anything, that's just the way it is).

Mike F · 03-14-2007, 06:33 PM

blazerbrad, do you have the complet set of wire diagrams for the 94? If you do the wire harnes can be rebuilt for what is needed and still be stripped down to the bare min.

94Dodge, do you still have all the wires and connectors you pulled? It would save a junk yard run. Did you buy a new programable computer? Maybe the auto theft could be turned off. Did you say the relays turn on after you jump things out? That would show they work if they do, if not they will need to be tested as blazerbrad said. You did say you bought new ones.

The autozone diagram is not the greatest and does not realy show the auto theft.

With the rebuilt harnes you could plug in the diagnostic tool and possibly not even have to if you discover a wire that is bad or missing.

94Dodge Truggy · 03-15-2007, 08:22 AM

I threw away all of the removed harness since the truck ran great for a year + since. I am not going to have time to check it out further until friday afternoon. I checked the resistance between 85 and 86 and tested good. I do not think that the truck had auto theft on it.

blazerbrad · 03-15-2007, 11:06 AM

Alright, here are a few more steps. Sorry for jumping around so much but I'm trying to decipher the procedure that is written assuming you are using a diagnostic tool.

Check power to the ASD relay as mentioned before.

Disconnect PCM connector and remove ASD relay. Check resistance in the circuit between the PCM and ASD connection (pin 51 of the PCM connector, and cavity C of the relay connector). Should be below 5 ohms.

I do not have the complete wiring diagram, just a few documents I scrounged up at work...we rarely do anything with vehicle that is not brand new, so I'm just lucky we still have some

94Dodge Truggy · 03-20-2007, 04:23 PM

Finished up the driveshafts and spare set today. Tackling the wiring tonight. I may try to make it out to the haspin run this weekend.

carwash · 03-20-2007, 04:31 PM

so its running now?

94Dodge Truggy · 03-20-2007, 05:23 PM

Not running well, but I have some ideas tonight, and if they do not work I am picking up the enclosed trailer form tom raper tomorrow and I will take it to jn electric.

94Dodge Truggy · 04-02-2007, 10:43 PM

Well, the truggy is at JN electric now and I have a feeling that my wallet will be feeling pretty light. When I drove it out of the trailer I looked at all of the mechanics faces as they were staring at the truggy and I couldn't decide if they were curious or wondering who would get stuck with this crappy wiring job. The shop foreman asked me what the truggy was used for and I told him that I cut my grass with it.

KargoMaster · 04-05-2007, 01:12 PM

Any news?

94Dodge Truggy · 04-05-2007, 02:38 PM

Their head shop tech calls about twice a day asking questions about what he is looking at. I gave em 3 weeks to work on it since the new addition to the family is due any day now. I have the check book, credit card, debit card and the loan all ready for the final bill from JN electric since they haven't even given me a quote yet. :o

KargoMaster · 04-05-2007, 04:19 PM

Cool... good luck with the new addition...

94Dodge Truggy · 04-06-2007, 11:58 PM

Looks like 1 grand to rewire everything from scratch.

KargoMaster · 04-07-2007, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 94Dodge Truggy

Looks like 1 grand to rewire everything from scratch.

Errr, uhhh, did you have that much in the rest of it... kidding.
You should not have another electrical problem for at least a run or two.

carwash · 04-07-2007, 10:40 AM

wow man... that sucks the balls.

jeepmanjeff · 04-07-2007, 02:24 PM

why not get a painless wiring harness and rewire it yourself ? Would be a lot cheaper and you would learn everything there is to know about the electronic sytstmes.

94Dodge Truggy · 04-07-2007, 03:59 PM

Painless does not make one for a 1994 dodge ram, and I already know more than I care to know about the computer and wiring now. Got fed up and ran out of time. These guys wire custom hot rods, fire trucks and anything in between so I figured that they will do it better than I can. Last year I was able to eliminate 50% of the wiring and now they are going to be able to eliminate 40% more. The switches will be painless wiring switches along with the breaker panel. (no more fuses) I know what you mean JEEPMANJEFF when it comes to knowing how your rig ticks, but this sucker is complicated and gave me way too many headaches. I can't wait to run this sucker with the new setup and the custom computer tune! I will still need to take it to MD motorsports for the dyno tune when I get it back. (goal is 400 rwhp. reliably)

94Dodge Truggy · 04-07-2007, 11:00 PM

Hey, does anyone know if I need any wiring going to the auto tranny? They thought that it could be eliminated.

94Dodge Truggy · 04-19-2007, 08:49 PM

Heck of a wiring job! Hell of a bill though! $2100.00. They said that they used gold wire :mad:

carwash · 04-20-2007, 09:44 AM

dude, please tell me you are kidding.

94Dodge Truggy · 04-20-2007, 09:51 AM

Wish I was! Do you need any grass cut or painting done? Need a side job :(

03-14-2007, 04:28 PM	#52
KargoMaster Cleaning off the rust... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,009	The quote from JN musta been pretty bad... :( __________________ brad 5.0L \| 435 \| 203 \| 300 \| 4.10 \| 39.5 Buildup BACK underway...

03-14-2007, 04:42 PM	#53
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	electrical problems have got to be the most aggravating in the world on a vehicle... hope you get it figured out man. gotta be somebody on here that can fix it. __________________

03-14-2007, 04:57 PM	#55
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	$50 tow? gotta be someone that could get it there for you. __________________

03-14-2007, 06:33 PM	#57
Mike F EFI AMC 360 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Lebanon, OH Posts: 32	blazerbrad, do you have the complet set of wire diagrams for the 94? If you do the wire harnes can be rebuilt for what is needed and still be stripped down to the bare min. 94Dodge, do you still have all the wires and connectors you pulled? It would save a junk yard run. Did you buy a new programable computer? Maybe the auto theft could be turned off. Did you say the relays turn on after you jump things out? That would show they work if they do, if not they will need to be tested as blazerbrad said. You did say you bought new ones. The autozone diagram is not the greatest and does not realy show the auto theft. With the rebuilt harnes you could plug in the diagnostic tool and possibly not even have to if you discover a wire that is bad or missing. __________________ 89 YJ EFI AMC 360, T18a, D20, built D44, 14 bolt, 38" Creepy Crawlers.

03-20-2007, 04:31 PM	#61
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	so its running now? __________________

03-14-2007, 04:18 PM	#51
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	$300.00 reward to the fellar who can get it running like it should.

03-14-2007, 05:28 PM	#56
blazerbrad - CORE Member - Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 831 Images: 6	If you get a chance, do this to the ASD relay.......... pull the relay and check the resistance between 85 and 86. Then probe cavity A on the PDC for voltage. If it's the auto-theft, then I'm not sure what to do. With the diagnostic tool it takes about 10 seconds to see if that is the issue (not trying to be a prick or anything, that's just the way it is).

03-15-2007, 08:22 AM	#58
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	I threw away all of the removed harness since the truck ran great for a year + since. I am not going to have time to check it out further until friday afternoon. I checked the resistance between 85 and 86 and tested good. I do not think that the truck had auto theft on it.

03-15-2007, 11:06 AM	#59
blazerbrad - CORE Member - Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 831 Images: 6	Alright, here are a few more steps. Sorry for jumping around so much but I'm trying to decipher the procedure that is written assuming you are using a diagnostic tool. Check power to the ASD relay as mentioned before. Disconnect PCM connector and remove ASD relay. Check resistance in the circuit between the PCM and ASD connection (pin 51 of the PCM connector, and cavity C of the relay connector). Should be below 5 ohms. I do not have the complete wiring diagram, just a few documents I scrounged up at work...we rarely do anything with vehicle that is not brand new, so I'm just lucky we still have some

03-20-2007, 04:23 PM	#60
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	Finished up the driveshafts and spare set today. Tackling the wiring tonight. I may try to make it out to the haspin run this weekend.

03-20-2007, 05:23 PM	#62
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	Not running well, but I have some ideas tonight, and if they do not work I am picking up the enclosed trailer form tom raper tomorrow and I will take it to jn electric.

04-02-2007, 10:43 PM	#63
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	Well, the truggy is at JN electric now and I have a feeling that my wallet will be feeling pretty light. When I drove it out of the trailer I looked at all of the mechanics faces as they were staring at the truggy and I couldn't decide if they were curious or wondering who would get stuck with this crappy wiring job. The shop foreman asked me what the truggy was used for and I told him that I cut my grass with it.

04-05-2007, 01:12 PM	#64
KargoMaster Cleaning off the rust... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,009	Any news? __________________ brad 5.0L \| 435 \| 203 \| 300 \| 4.10 \| 39.5 Buildup BACK underway...

04-05-2007, 02:38 PM	#65
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	Their head shop tech calls about twice a day asking questions about what he is looking at. I gave em 3 weeks to work on it since the new addition to the family is due any day now. I have the check book, credit card, debit card and the loan all ready for the final bill from JN electric since they haven't even given me a quote yet. :o

04-05-2007, 04:19 PM	#66
KargoMaster Cleaning off the rust... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,009	Cool... good luck with the new addition... __________________ brad 5.0L \| 435 \| 203 \| 300 \| 4.10 \| 39.5 Buildup BACK underway...

04-06-2007, 11:58 PM	#67
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	Looks like 1 grand to rewire everything from scratch.

04-07-2007, 10:40 AM	#69
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	wow man... that sucks the balls. __________________

04-07-2007, 02:24 PM	#70
jeepmanjeff Ah Unz ze President! - CORE Member - - Moderator - Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield Ohio Posts: 588 Images: 343	why not get a painless wiring harness and rewire it yourself ? Would be a lot cheaper and you would learn everything there is to know about the electronic sytstmes. __________________ Keep them on all 4's

04-07-2007, 03:59 PM	#71
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	Painless does not make one for a 1994 dodge ram, and I already know more than I care to know about the computer and wiring now. Got fed up and ran out of time. These guys wire custom hot rods, fire trucks and anything in between so I figured that they will do it better than I can. Last year I was able to eliminate 50% of the wiring and now they are going to be able to eliminate 40% more. The switches will be painless wiring switches along with the breaker panel. (no more fuses) I know what you mean JEEPMANJEFF when it comes to knowing how your rig ticks, but this sucker is complicated and gave me way too many headaches. I can't wait to run this sucker with the new setup and the custom computer tune! I will still need to take it to MD motorsports for the dyno tune when I get it back. (goal is 400 rwhp. reliably)

04-07-2007, 11:00 PM	#72
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	Hey, does anyone know if I need any wiring going to the auto tranny? They thought that it could be eliminated.

04-19-2007, 08:49 PM	#73
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	Heck of a wiring job! Hell of a bill though! $2100.00. They said that they used gold wire :mad:

04-20-2007, 09:44 AM	#74
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	dude, please tell me you are kidding. __________________

04-20-2007, 09:51 AM	#75
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	Wish I was! Do you need any grass cut or painting done? Need a side job :(