Balance A Super Swamper I need help

cincykid · 08-11-2008, 11:15 PM

I just put on a set of S S LTB's 33x13.50x15 and they shake so bad I am thinking about taking them off. They will not balance on my balancer it wants me to put on like 30 oz of weight...... Can anybody tell me if they can be balanced or am I stuck with the shakes.......

cincykid

maddhatter · 08-11-2008, 11:29 PM

They make bb's to put in the tires to balance them.
Call around to a few tire places they should be able to hook you up.
I know some guys just use real bb's.

JeffK5 · 08-11-2008, 11:30 PM

Airsoft BB's

JeepHD · 08-11-2008, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffK5

Airsoft BB's

Yep, I put airsoft bbs in my 38s on H1 beadlocks and it worked well. I just picked them up in wal-mart. 30oz does seem like a lot though, I put 16 oz in mine and that was more than what I thought would be necessary.

Try rotating the tire on the rim and see if that brings it closer.

cincykid · 08-11-2008, 11:53 PM

So just put plastic bbs in the tire and that will balance the tire? How dose this work? How much in each tire?

sarge · 08-12-2008, 12:42 AM

use 6 oz per tire of Air Soft pellets . That is about 1/4 of a zip lock bag full ( Ha I said quarter bag ! ) . I have run them in my Iroks since new and they balance great even at high way speeds.

JeepHD · 08-12-2008, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by cincykid

So just put plastic bbs in the tire and that will balance the tire? How dose this work? How much in each tire?

As you speed up the bbs will go to the lightest area of the tire bringing it in balance. Great for off road tires, that way if it is spins on the rim or you cut a chunk out of it, there is no need to have them rebalanced.
Here is a chart that may be helpful http://www.innovativebalancing.com/BigTirechart.htm

Seems to call for 8 oz, I would put 10 oz myself to be safe.

cincykid · 08-12-2008, 06:18 PM

Thanks for the help It worked pretty well I put 10 oz in each They don't shake nearly as bad.

Thanks again cincykid

kb9qdi · 08-13-2008, 12:13 AM

We use Equal packs at our shop and they work very well. I've used them in 40's, 24.5 etc with no problems.

http://www.imiproducts.com/equal/index.aspx

carwash · 08-13-2008, 10:01 AM

wish i had put some in mine before bolting them all together... really want to balance them, but dont really want to break them down again...

maybe i will do a water/antifreeze

blazerbrad · 08-13-2008, 12:43 PM

I also just put the regular ol' BB's in my 39.5 Swampers, and several others I know use the same method with good results. I had mine up to about 45-50 mph this weekend coming back from the trail (10 psi in the tires) and would only get a very mild vibration every once in awhile.

fabricator · 08-13-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by carwash

wish i had put some in mine before bolting them all together... really want to balance them, but dont really want to break them down again...

maybe i will do a water/antifreeze

So.......when do you think you will really
need to worry about balanced tyres ?
Come on you can tell us.

fall crawl ?

tjjeepjeep · 08-13-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by carwash

wish i had put some in mine before bolting them all together... really want to balance them, but dont really want to break them down again...

maybe i will do a water/antifreeze

Quote:

Originally Posted by fabricator

So.......when do you think you will really
need to worry about balanced tyres ?
Come on you can tell us.

fall crawl ?

Which year?

carwash · 08-13-2008, 02:09 PM

fall crawl prolly not doable. My only goal be to have it driving before the first snow of this year. I will have more time to work on it soon tho.

cincykid · 08-13-2008, 03:15 PM

What kind of pressure do you run in them for street driving?

I have 33x13.50.15 S S Ltb's

94Dodge Truggy · 08-13-2008, 03:38 PM

I am able to run 9lbs. in 42'' bias ply irocs at 65mph with no problems. Not balanced and amazingly smooth. Not sure why but maybe lucky or something.

JeepHD · 08-13-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cincykid

What kind of pressure do you run in them for street driving?

I have 33x13.50.15 S S Ltb's

I would guess in the 20lb area,but it varies depending on vehicle weight, type of tire, rim width, etc.

I always heard to pump them up to suggested and then when on the vehicle run them thru water and then to dry concrete. Continue checking and decrease pressure until you get a good even tread contact across the hole tire. Front and rear may be different due to weight differences.

Flxratd · 08-13-2008, 03:52 PM

start with about 23 -28 psi and drive it then look at the contact patch of the tire and adjust from there. if you put to much air in the rolling resistance will be good for milage but not the tire wear in the center.

4RunnerAdam · 08-15-2008, 12:52 AM

How loud are the BB's when you stop at a stop light?

Think you could add them through the valve stem with the valve core removed?

WrenchMonkey · 08-15-2008, 01:51 AM

The steel ones are loud enough to be annoying. I think the airsofts are pretty much silent.

And you'll really want to break the bead to install em. It's really not that bad...

Robert

sarge · 08-15-2008, 02:23 AM

air softs will NOT fit in the valve stem .

They make a little swoosh noise right before you come to a complete stop.

RuffedUpXJ · 08-15-2008, 08:29 AM

They have BB's in a smaller form for motorcycle tires and those actually can go through the valve stem but come in 1 ounce pack and would take for ever and too much money to put in to some 36's Sarge.

blazerbrad · 08-15-2008, 11:24 AM

I had regular steel BB's, maybe 2-3 oz. (also had rim weights), in the 265/75's on my DD/towrig and never noticed them at all. Currently I have maybe 10-12 oz. in my 39.5's on my Blazer and never noticed them with the top off (half top) and the doors on even with window down, but once I took the doors off for the summer you can hear a small "swoosh" right before you come to a stop while driving through town or the neighborhood. Never notice them on the trail at all.

Even if you can fit them through the valve stem it would take a long time to feed them in one at a time because you are talking about hundreds, if not thousands, per tire.

4RunnerAdam · 08-16-2008, 07:25 PM

Gotcha. I'll break a bead. Reset it with ether.

Should I keep the wheel weights that are on there now?

4RunnerAdam · 03-09-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 4RunnerAdam

Should I keep the wheel weights that are on there now?

So, should I? Do I need to take all the lead weights off? I'm guessing so.

08-11-2008, 11:15 PM	#1
cincykid Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7	Balance A Super Swamper I need help I just put on a set of S S LTB's 33x13.50x15 and they shake so bad I am thinking about taking them off. They will not balance on my balancer it wants me to put on like 30 oz of weight...... Can anybody tell me if they can be balanced or am I stuck with the shakes....... cincykid

08-13-2008, 10:01 AM	#10
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	wish i had put some in mine before bolting them all together... really want to balance them, but dont really want to break them down again... maybe i will do a water/antifreeze __________________

08-13-2008, 02:09 PM	#14
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	fall crawl prolly not doable. My only goal be to have it driving before the first snow of this year. I will have more time to work on it soon tho. __________________

08-13-2008, 03:38 PM	#16
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	I am able to run 9lbs. in 42'' bias ply irocs at 65mph with no problems. Not balanced and amazingly smooth. Not sure why but maybe lucky or something. __________________

08-13-2008, 03:52 PM	#18
Flxratd Retired Join Date: May 2008 Location: Hamilton/Ross Posts: 645	air pressure start with about 23 -28 psi and drive it then look at the contact patch of the tire and adjust from there. if you put to much air in the rolling resistance will be good for milage but not the tire wear in the center.

08-11-2008, 11:29 PM	#2
maddhatter Join Date: May 2007 Location: loveland OH Posts: 324	They make bb's to put in the tires to balance them. Call around to a few tire places they should be able to hook you up. I know some guys just use real bb's.

08-11-2008, 11:30 PM	#3
JeffK5 Tiny Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Colerain Posts: 798	Airsoft BB's

08-11-2008, 11:53 PM	#5
cincykid Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7	So just put plastic bbs in the tire and that will balance the tire? How dose this work? How much in each tire?

08-12-2008, 12:42 AM	#6
sarge Pure Bacon Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Trenton, Oh Posts: 1,098	use 6 oz per tire of Air Soft pellets . That is about 1/4 of a zip lock bag full ( Ha I said quarter bag ! ) . I have run them in my Iroks since new and they balance great even at high way speeds.

08-12-2008, 06:18 PM	#8
cincykid Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7	Thanks for the help It worked pretty well I put 10 oz in each They don't shake nearly as bad. Thanks again cincykid

08-13-2008, 12:13 AM	#9
kb9qdi Storm Chaser Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Harrison,Ohio Posts: 142	We use Equal packs at our shop and they work very well. I've used them in 40's, 24.5 etc with no problems. http://www.imiproducts.com/equal/index.aspx

08-13-2008, 12:43 PM	#11
blazerbrad - CORE Member - Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 831 Images: 6	I also just put the regular ol' BB's in my 39.5 Swampers, and several others I know use the same method with good results. I had mine up to about 45-50 mph this weekend coming back from the trail (10 psi in the tires) and would only get a very mild vibration every once in awhile.

08-13-2008, 03:15 PM	#15
cincykid Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7	What kind of pressure do you run in them for street driving? I have 33x13.50.15 S S Ltb's

08-15-2008, 12:52 AM	#19
4RunnerAdam Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: near eastgate mall Posts: 171	How loud are the BB's when you stop at a stop light? Think you could add them through the valve stem with the valve core removed? __________________ 88 4Runner, 350 V8 swap in progress http://staff.4x4wire.com/adamf

08-15-2008, 01:51 AM	#20
WrenchMonkey Mechanical Animal - CORE Member - - Moderator - Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Beechmont Posts: 1,883	The steel ones are loud enough to be annoying. I think the airsofts are pretty much silent. And you'll really want to break the bead to install em. It's really not that bad... Robert __________________ DIRTY DEEDS, DONE DIRT CHEAP Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stranger

08-15-2008, 02:23 AM	#21
sarge Pure Bacon Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Trenton, Oh Posts: 1,098	air softs will NOT fit in the valve stem . They make a little swoosh noise right before you come to a complete stop.

08-15-2008, 08:29 AM	#22
RuffedUpXJ On XJ 2 Now Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Fairfield Twp. Posts: 314	They have BB's in a smaller form for motorcycle tires and those actually can go through the valve stem but come in 1 ounce pack and would take for ever and too much money to put in to some 36's Sarge. __________________ 88 XJ - 5" lift - 35" BFG's - Bumpers - Rock Rails - Homebrewed OBA - Roof Rack - Tube Doors - Trimmed - Dented 87 XJ - D44 - Disco D30 - 235's - 231TC - Stock for now

08-15-2008, 11:24 AM	#23
blazerbrad - CORE Member - Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 831 Images: 6	I had regular steel BB's, maybe 2-3 oz. (also had rim weights), in the 265/75's on my DD/towrig and never noticed them at all. Currently I have maybe 10-12 oz. in my 39.5's on my Blazer and never noticed them with the top off (half top) and the doors on even with window down, but once I took the doors off for the summer you can hear a small "swoosh" right before you come to a stop while driving through town or the neighborhood. Never notice them on the trail at all. Even if you can fit them through the valve stem it would take a long time to feed them in one at a time because you are talking about hundreds, if not thousands, per tire.

08-16-2008, 07:25 PM	#24
4RunnerAdam Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: near eastgate mall Posts: 171	Gotcha. I'll break a bead. Reset it with ether. Should I keep the wheel weights that are on there now? __________________ 88 4Runner, 350 V8 swap in progress http://staff.4x4wire.com/adamf