Dana 60 Shaft Upgrade

94Dodge Truggy · 08-25-2008, 11:12 AM

Who makes strong 60 ford kingpin front inner axle shafts. Want to replace both inners and leave the outers stock. Longfield makes some nice ones but are pricey. Superior and moser probably do but do you order them from some other company or through them direct? I have mosers in the rear 60 currently. Wonder about a warranty also. (I may break one in WV) Like to buy locally if possible. Thanks, Scott

kyrel69 · 08-25-2008, 11:37 AM

well I know I am going to spend the money on the Longfields b/c you get the inner and outer and the "joint". If you price all 3 they are just a little more but the longfields give you more turning the the U-joint shafts. Also the longfields do not get weaker when you have the wheel cut.

But if you want U-joint shafts. Then I would go with Alloy USA 10 year no matter what warranty.

I think with good U-joint and 35 spline inner and 30 spline outers you are going to break the outer first most of the time. Next will be the ears or the u-joint

94Dodge Truggy · 08-25-2008, 12:31 PM

Outer is what I want to break. Don't want the weak link to be the ring and pinion which is a pain to trail repair. I may go with 35 inner and outer though and make the flange the weak link.

carwash · 08-25-2008, 01:07 PM

Alloy USA all the way. great warranty and great service.

blazerbrad · 08-25-2008, 02:13 PM

If you are wanting to stay with stock 30-spline outers.......don't. They are by far the weak point, especially if you are looking at chromo inners and possibly bling u-joints. I broke 3 stock 30-spline outers (seemed like everytime I went out) with just standard 35-spline Spicer inners and regular Spicer joints, including a 1310 joint in the driveshaft.

If you want to keep a weak spot (fuse), put it in your driveshaft u-joints. Driveshafts are by far the quickest and easiest to replace on the trail.

94Dodge Truggy · 08-25-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by blazerbrad

If you are wanting to stay with stock 30-spline outers.......don't. They are by far the weak point, especially if you are looking at chromo inners and possibly bling u-joints. I broke 3 stock 30-spline outers (seemed like everytime I went out) with just standard 35-spline Spicer inners and regular Spicer joints, including a 1310 joint in the driveshaft.

If you want to keep a weak spot (fuse), put it in your driveshaft u-joints. Driveshafts are by far the quickest and easiest to replace on the trail.

The front driveshaft is not overkill already. I use your same logic with driveshaft as being the weak link. I have warn outer lockouts and may just replace all the shafts and add flanges but do not want to break the ring and pinion. 5.38 ratio.

blazerbrad · 08-25-2008, 05:27 PM

Forgot to mention this previously, but breaking the outer shaft also leads to the possibity of taking out the spindle and causing all types of havoc.

carwash · 08-25-2008, 07:31 PM

go with chromo inners and stock spicer 35 spline outers. Then the drive shaft will still be the weak link i'd say.

and yes, i have never seen an outer explode without taking out the spindle and all the nuts and bearings as well with it.

94Dodge Truggy · 08-25-2008, 10:58 PM

Who has extra spindles for these? Always broke inners on the dodge ram 60's.

KargoMaster · 08-25-2008, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 94Dodge Truggy

Who has extra spindles for these?

<raises hand>

:o

In my defense, when I tore mine down, neither had any spindle bearings, and both were also worn bad... "Wallered OUT" as Jesse would say... so they were replaced LONG ago...

Shiny new spindles still in the boxes, old ones in the "spares" pile.

My primary front 60 axles are Cr-Moly 35spl outters, and stock Spicer (non-neck down) inners.

blazerbrad · 08-26-2008, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by carwash

and yes, i have never seen an outer explode without taking out the spindle and all the nuts and bearings as well with it.

I've been lucky but have only broke stock 30-spline outers so less bang and more clearance. But on the one it did splinter and wedge itself slightly inside the spindle and had to be persuaded out with a hammer....fortunately I was able to get off the gas quickly when it let go or I'm sure it would have caused carnage.

Another thing I just thought off when talking about spindles, definitely make sure the little roller bearings inside the spindles (that the shaft rides on) is in good shape. If it's toast it puts more stress (causes the shaft to bind slightly). Whenever you repack the wheel bearings it only takes a couple of extra minutes to pull off the spindles and pack them with fresh grease.

Redriverranger · 08-26-2008, 06:29 PM

Yeah, as said, the stock 30 spline units will split and splinter, taking out the spindle as well. Makes it a pain in the butt to get the spindle nut's off. How many ring and pinions have you seen let go that didn't have a bearing fail from contamination or had obviously been set up incorrectly?

94Dodge Truggy · 08-26-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Redriverranger

Yeah, as said, the stock 30 spline units will split and splinter, taking out the spindle as well. Makes it a pain in the butt to get the spindle nut's off. How many ring and pinions have you seen let go that didn't have a bearing fail from contamination or had obviously been set up incorrectly?

Countless amounts. Drag racing, wheeling and road racing. Thinking that complete built shafts will do fine. Longfields or superior or usa alloy not sure yet.

mckeddie · 08-26-2008, 07:08 PM

i would honestly say to go stock inner with 35 spline molly outers. that is what i'm saving for now. i've seen pete and shawn hammer the **** out of pete's with that setup, and have yet to witness them break a shaft first hand. if you are looking for custom shafts, branik motorsports are great guys, stan is the man!

boomhauer · 10-08-2008, 05:47 PM

pete and shawn break more chromos than any1 i know and they only run a 37" tire!!!

mckeddie · 10-09-2008, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by boomhauer

pete and shawn break more chromos than any1 i know and they only run a 37" tire!!!

hmm...i can honestly say i've never seen them break one. guess i haven't wheeled with em enough. have you ever seen em break an inner shaft though? hopefully i'll get to see em pop a couple at harlan then.

78Buford · 10-09-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mckeddie

have you ever seen em break an inner shaft though? hopefully i'll get to see em pop a couple at harlan then.

At Harlan in October/November of 2006, Pete may have broken an inner D60 axle. I loaned him a 35 spline drive flange out of my rig, and a spare short side axle assembly...35 spline inner, 35 spline outer.

I have Yukon 35 spline inners & outers, w/ Longfield Super Joints, and 35 spline drive flanges. I do not want any weak links in my setup because I have a Detroit Locker. If and axle/joint/flange/lockout, etc were to fail under load, I have an excellent chance of wiping out the $550 locker. If you run an ARB, spool, welded front diff, (or even a Lockright), etc, this is less of a concern.

Back to the shafts: I have a slight but visible twisting of the splines on the short side inner. It has been that way for well over a year. With that said, I've wheeled the truck less this year than I have in the past five years.

Roy

94Dodge Truggy · 10-09-2008, 09:31 PM

I have not broke the front 60 yet and thought that I would have by now. I have 2 extra warn 30 spline lockouts for the stock shafts and another stock outer and just bought a 1978 ford complete with 400, c6, and 60's front and rear. Not so sure about upgrading now. Looking to order a mini stak 3 speed t-case for the winter project.

08-25-2008, 11:12 AM	#1
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	Dana 60 Shaft Upgrade Who makes strong 60 ford kingpin front inner axle shafts. Want to replace both inners and leave the outers stock. Longfield makes some nice ones but are pricey. Superior and moser probably do but do you order them from some other company or through them direct? I have mosers in the rear 60 currently. Wonder about a warranty also. (I may break one in WV) Like to buy locally if possible. Thanks, Scott __________________

08-25-2008, 12:31 PM	#3
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	Outer is what I want to break. Don't want the weak link to be the ring and pinion which is a pain to trail repair. I may go with 35 inner and outer though and make the flange the weak link. __________________

08-25-2008, 01:07 PM	#4
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	Alloy USA all the way. great warranty and great service. __________________

08-25-2008, 07:31 PM	#8
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	go with chromo inners and stock spicer 35 spline outers. Then the drive shaft will still be the weak link i'd say. and yes, i have never seen an outer explode without taking out the spindle and all the nuts and bearings as well with it. __________________

08-25-2008, 10:58 PM	#9
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	Who has extra spindles for these? Always broke inners on the dodge ram 60's. __________________

08-25-2008, 11:37 AM	#2
kyrel69 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Middletown, Ohio Posts: 372	well I know I am going to spend the money on the Longfields b/c you get the inner and outer and the "joint". If you price all 3 they are just a little more but the longfields give you more turning the the U-joint shafts. Also the longfields do not get weaker when you have the wheel cut. But if you want U-joint shafts. Then I would go with Alloy USA 10 year no matter what warranty. I think with good U-joint and 35 spline inner and 30 spline outers you are going to break the outer first most of the time. Next will be the ears or the u-joint

08-25-2008, 02:13 PM	#5
blazerbrad - CORE Member - Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 831 Images: 6	If you are wanting to stay with stock 30-spline outers.......don't. They are by far the weak point, especially if you are looking at chromo inners and possibly bling u-joints. I broke 3 stock 30-spline outers (seemed like everytime I went out) with just standard 35-spline Spicer inners and regular Spicer joints, including a 1310 joint in the driveshaft. If you want to keep a weak spot (fuse), put it in your driveshaft u-joints. Driveshafts are by far the quickest and easiest to replace on the trail.

08-25-2008, 05:27 PM	#7
blazerbrad - CORE Member - Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 831 Images: 6	Forgot to mention this previously, but breaking the outer shaft also leads to the possibity of taking out the spindle and causing all types of havoc.

08-26-2008, 06:29 PM	#12
Redriverranger White ranger guy Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Red river gorge,ky Posts: 274	Yeah, as said, the stock 30 spline units will split and splinter, taking out the spindle as well. Makes it a pain in the butt to get the spindle nut's off. How many ring and pinions have you seen let go that didn't have a bearing fail from contamination or had obviously been set up incorrectly? __________________ 91 Ranger ext cab, 60, 14 bolt, 4:88's, 39.5's, doubler, lot's of character

08-26-2008, 07:08 PM	#14
mckeddie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: van wert oh Posts: 583	i would honestly say to go stock inner with 35 spline molly outers. that is what i'm saving for now. i've seen pete and shawn hammer the **** out of pete's with that setup, and have yet to witness them break a shaft first hand. if you are looking for custom shafts, branik motorsports are great guys, stan is the man! __________________ zuk buggy.....it'll be a jeep eventually.

10-08-2008, 05:47 PM	#15
boomhauer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 188	pete and shawn break more chromos than any1 i know and they only run a 37" tire!!!

10-09-2008, 09:31 PM	#18
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	I have not broke the front 60 yet and thought that I would have by now. I have 2 extra warn 30 spline lockouts for the stock shafts and another stock outer and just bought a 1978 ford complete with 400, c6, and 60's front and rear. Not so sure about upgrading now. Looking to order a mini stak 3 speed t-case for the winter project. __________________