Lazarus - Back from the Dead

carwash · 11-01-2009, 11:24 PM

I could have swore i made a thread about this Jeep build already, but I have searched for an hour, and came up empty, so here goes.

Picked this rig up from Steve Waters, who got it from Shane I believe.... Was a true basket case when it rolled my way, needing a lot of love.

I was gonna build it for myself to have a streetable/trail jeep, but decided that i really didn't need that, so i sold it to my Mother in Law and her boyfriend Dave. Cool part is that i still get to build it, and that's what i really love, so all is good to go.

Some specs... came to me partially assembled, parts flying off, hanging off, engine on a stand, etc.... Came with a 350 (unknown condition) as well as a tpi350 with Siamese runner and aftermarket throttle body, etc... If you know Uncle Holley, you know the motor. Yes, that one. 60 front, 14 bolt rear, Hummer wheels, 2" spacers all around, tub, grill, tube fenders, some awful seats, and that's about it.

First order of business was compete tear down, and removal of all the stuff that was poorly done. Missed welds, outboarding not wide enough, poor anti wrap fab, etc.... Plans are reversed XJ rear springs, YJ fronts, new shackles, new outbarding blocks, front bumper to widen the outboard mounting area.... blah blah blah, paint it all, put it back together, etc... just another 1 ton jeep build i guess. How bout some pics....

How it came to me...

Tub takes a ride to get some love and paint from Dave

Into the shop for tear down and rebuild...

Some of the crap I am dealing with on this rig...

Out with the old, with some help from Max....

Flipped to access the stuff to cut off easier...

The axles... in need of some love as well..

So, stay tuned, this ones should move pretty fast.

itbrokeagain · 11-02-2009, 11:28 AM

Here we go again....... You should have bought mine. Would have made you a deal. Uncle Holly had a pretty sweet motor. This will be good.

94Dodge Truggy · 11-02-2009, 12:26 PM

So like a year and a half or so on the completion date are you thinking?

tjjeepjeep · 11-02-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 94Dodge Truggy

So like a year and a half or so on the completion date are you thinking?

he said it. but you knew the rest of us were thinking it...

Bear Chow · 11-02-2009, 12:43 PM

Ejs 2012

TomH · 11-02-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bear Chow

Ejs 2012

Call it 20xx and you'll be a lot happier.

carwash · 11-02-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by itbrokeagain

Here we go again....... You should have bought mine. Would have made you a deal. Uncle Holly had a pretty sweet motor. This will be good.

Would it have come with the sweet ass plumbing pipe grab handle? No deal if not...

carwash · 11-02-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 94Dodge Truggy

So like a year and a half or so on the completion date are you thinking?

It won't, but what if it does take that long? Some sort of issue for ya'? Would everyone rather i didn't share my slow ass builds? Go buy a jeep, it's faster right? This is for a "customer" so things will progress a little quicker, but i will be depending on him to do all the body work etc, so that may hang me up.

I will say it again, show me what you all have built in less time... would love to see.

11-02-2009, 02:20 PM

If you ever need a hand Mike, give me a shout. Be there in 5 minutes

carwash · 11-02-2009, 02:35 PM

Thanks Brad, good to know. A lot of my work is done late at night, starting about 9:30. When most people are winding down, I'm cranking it up.

Will probably do some frame reinforcements in some spots tonight. Had some nasty metal below the areas I had to cut off. Plasma took a ****, and the torch is sometimes unkind to surrounding metals. Have to build new outboarding for the new front springs as well, which will mean cutting off the front "bumper" and remaking that, as it isn't wide enough at this point.

11-02-2009, 02:38 PM

Im a night owl

94Dodge Truggy · 11-02-2009, 02:39 PM

I love seeing your buildups so keep em coming. I will try to be easy on you from now on. I apologize. :(

tjjeepjeep · 11-02-2009, 04:02 PM

Heck yea carwash, keep the updates coming...looking forward to seeing what you put together on this one. I know it'll be awesome!

PS Max is soo cute...

carwash · 11-02-2009, 04:17 PM

won't be anything special, just a tight 1-ton jeep...

stay tuned, should fall together quick. (figuratively speaking i guess)

Nuts · 11-02-2009, 06:11 PM

Whats the deal with the wheel spacers? Does it have something to do with the hummer wheels?

Flxratd · 11-02-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Nuts

Whats the deal with the wheel spacers? Does it have something to do with the hummer wheels?

i would say since it doesnt look as if the h1 wheels havent been recentered it would be for caliper clearance

Nuts · 11-02-2009, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Flxratd

i would say since it doesnt look as if the h1 wheels havent been recentered it would be for caliper clearance

Thats what I was thinking,but since I'm new to big axles I wanted to ask.

sarge · 11-02-2009, 06:35 PM

Am I seeing things wrong ? what is up with that anti-wrap bar ????

Nuts · 11-02-2009, 07:50 PM

My favorite part is that the anti-wrap bar has a bushing and bolts to some tabs,and its welded to the axle right under the bushing!

carwash · 11-02-2009, 08:34 PM

yeah, spacers cuz the wheels aren't recentered. They are 2" all around, which often isn't enough, but we will see. Hell I used to run 4" spacers on the back of the pumpkin to clear the coilovers.

No idea what the hell someone was thinking with this anti wrap bar. The bushing is just welded to the crossmember. It's pure awesome. There is that kind of stuff all over this rig.

Heading out shortly to start cutting the mag runflats down... Imma keep this **** for the next campfire... It's no flashbang, but should be some good fireworks i hear.

TomH · 11-02-2009, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carwash

It won't, but what if it does take that long? Some sort of issue for ya'? Would everyone rather i didn't share my slow ass builds? Go buy a jeep, it's faster right? This is for a "customer" so things will progress a little quicker, but i will be depending on him to do all the body work etc, so that may hang me up.

I will say it again, show me what you all have built in less time... would love to see.

Don't get your panties in a bunch. I was ragging on you for the last build and because the buggy turned out so well. (Having seen your exhaust at the CORE/TS deal in August, I ripped mine out and copied your 50 setup.)

Keep up the good work.

carwash · 11-03-2009, 02:29 AM

Tonight's work sucked the balls, and not in the good kind of ball sucking way...

Cut the H1 runflat's off for Dave's wheels. I had some concerns leaving them in, as he is only running 40" tires. That doesn't put much space between that magnesium and the rubber when aired way down. I think a runflat is was cut my tire in Harlan, and I run 44's...

So, used my convertible bandsaw to cut the major part off, then took the 4.5 grinder to them to knock it down the rest of the way, then used a 4.5 flap wheel to take all the sharp edges off.

So, contrary to popular belief, the magnesium does not burst into flames and explode when you cut it. It doesn't catch on fire with the inability to be extinguished, etc. So, just out of curiosity, I took some shavings and made a little pile, and took a lighter to it. Took a second to catch, but then it did burn pretty bright, but burned out rather quickly. I took a bigger chunk and tried to catch it on fire, no luck. So, not as dangerous as people once thought. I did save all the scrap huge chunks and a tin of powder and shavings from teh cutting and grinding. Next hot campfire, I'ma toss the **** in there, see if it will burn. Leads me to believe that they are made from some sort of magnesium alloy and not pure mag... will see if i can find out, just for reference...

This whole process for the 8 half runflats took me about 2 hours. Not too bad i guess. Not looking forward to it, but I have to do it all over again with my own rig in a few days.... ugh.

KennyTJ · 11-03-2009, 10:49 AM

You see a lot of guys scap'in the run flats and cutting large PVC pipe to use inside the tire for the double bead lock.

FWI - It's the magnesium powder/dust that catches fire quick and burns like fireworks! Just grind down the scrap and toss the "magic" dust in the campfire for you firewoks!

carwash · 11-03-2009, 10:54 AM

The pvc inserts are pricey, uhmw ones are even more. these are free and MUCH easier to install. You can get a damn hernia trying to put the pvc ones in... they are larger than the hole.

itbrokeagain · 11-03-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by carwash

Would it have come with the sweet ass plumbing pipe grab handle? No deal if not...

It is very custom.

I can make you one if you want.

11-01-2009, 11:24 PM	#1
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	Lazarus - Back from the Dead I could have swore i made a thread about this Jeep build already, but I have searched for an hour, and came up empty, so here goes. Picked this rig up from Steve Waters, who got it from Shane I believe.... Was a true basket case when it rolled my way, needing a lot of love. I was gonna build it for myself to have a streetable/trail jeep, but decided that i really didn't need that, so i sold it to my Mother in Law and her boyfriend Dave. Cool part is that i still get to build it, and that's what i really love, so all is good to go. Some specs... came to me partially assembled, parts flying off, hanging off, engine on a stand, etc.... Came with a 350 (unknown condition) as well as a tpi350 with Siamese runner and aftermarket throttle body, etc... If you know Uncle Holley, you know the motor. Yes, that one. 60 front, 14 bolt rear, Hummer wheels, 2" spacers all around, tub, grill, tube fenders, some awful seats, and that's about it. First order of business was compete tear down, and removal of all the stuff that was poorly done. Missed welds, outboarding not wide enough, poor anti wrap fab, etc.... Plans are reversed XJ rear springs, YJ fronts, new shackles, new outbarding blocks, front bumper to widen the outboard mounting area.... blah blah blah, paint it all, put it back together, etc... just another 1 ton jeep build i guess. How bout some pics.... How it came to me... Tub takes a ride to get some love and paint from Dave Into the shop for tear down and rebuild... Some of the crap I am dealing with on this rig... Out with the old, with some help from Max.... Flipped to access the stuff to cut off easier... The axles... in need of some love as well.. So, stay tuned, this ones should move pretty fast. __________________

11-02-2009, 11:28 AM	#2
itbrokeagain Just Empty Every Pocket - CORE Member - Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Amelia Posts: 1,435	Here we go again....... You should have bought mine. Would have made you a deal. Uncle Holly had a pretty sweet motor. This will be good. __________________ 91 fj 80 on 37 Nitto Muds with a 10k winch. Cage and sliders coming soon.

11-02-2009, 12:26 PM	#3
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	So like a year and a half or so on the completion date are you thinking? __________________

11-02-2009, 02:35 PM	#10
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	Thanks Brad, good to know. A lot of my work is done late at night, starting about 9:30. When most people are winding down, I'm cranking it up. Will probably do some frame reinforcements in some spots tonight. Had some nasty metal below the areas I had to cut off. Plasma took a ****, and the torch is sometimes unkind to surrounding metals. Have to build new outboarding for the new front springs as well, which will mean cutting off the front "bumper" and remaking that, as it isn't wide enough at this point. __________________

11-02-2009, 02:39 PM	#12
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	I love seeing your buildups so keep em coming. I will try to be easy on you from now on. I apologize. :( __________________

11-02-2009, 12:43 PM	#5
Bear Chow Jeepless Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oxford, Oh Posts: 302	Ejs 2012

11-02-2009, 02:20 PM	#9
Brad@TORC Guest Posts: n/a	If you ever need a hand Mike, give me a shout. Be there in 5 minutes

11-02-2009, 02:38 PM	#11
Brad@TORC Guest Posts: n/a	Im a night owl

11-02-2009, 04:02 PM	#13
tjjeepjeep Just tired Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hamilton, OH Posts: 2,213 Images: 2212	Heck yea carwash, keep the updates coming...looking forward to seeing what you put together on this one. I know it'll be awesome! PS Max is soo cute... __________________ I want to be the reason you look down at your phone and smile........then walk into a pole.

11-02-2009, 04:17 PM	#14
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	won't be anything special, just a tight 1-ton jeep... stay tuned, should fall together quick. (figuratively speaking i guess) __________________

11-02-2009, 06:11 PM	#15
Nuts Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: middletown,oh Posts: 508	Whats the deal with the wheel spacers? Does it have something to do with the hummer wheels?

11-02-2009, 06:35 PM	#18
sarge Pure Bacon Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Trenton, Oh Posts: 1,098	Am I seeing things wrong ? what is up with that anti-wrap bar ????

11-02-2009, 07:50 PM	#19
Nuts Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: middletown,oh Posts: 508	My favorite part is that the anti-wrap bar has a bushing and bolts to some tabs,and its welded to the axle right under the bushing!

11-02-2009, 08:34 PM	#20
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	yeah, spacers cuz the wheels aren't recentered. They are 2" all around, which often isn't enough, but we will see. Hell I used to run 4" spacers on the back of the pumpkin to clear the coilovers. No idea what the hell someone was thinking with this anti wrap bar. The bushing is just welded to the crossmember. It's pure awesome. There is that kind of stuff all over this rig. Heading out shortly to start cutting the mag runflats down... Imma keep this **** for the next campfire... It's no flashbang, but should be some good fireworks i hear. __________________

11-03-2009, 02:29 AM	#22
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	Tonight's work sucked the balls, and not in the good kind of ball sucking way... Cut the H1 runflat's off for Dave's wheels. I had some concerns leaving them in, as he is only running 40" tires. That doesn't put much space between that magnesium and the rubber when aired way down. I think a runflat is was cut my tire in Harlan, and I run 44's... So, used my convertible bandsaw to cut the major part off, then took the 4.5 grinder to them to knock it down the rest of the way, then used a 4.5 flap wheel to take all the sharp edges off. So, contrary to popular belief, the magnesium does not burst into flames and explode when you cut it. It doesn't catch on fire with the inability to be extinguished, etc. So, just out of curiosity, I took some shavings and made a little pile, and took a lighter to it. Took a second to catch, but then it did burn pretty bright, but burned out rather quickly. I took a bigger chunk and tried to catch it on fire, no luck. So, not as dangerous as people once thought. I did save all the scrap huge chunks and a tin of powder and shavings from teh cutting and grinding. Next hot campfire, I'ma toss the **** in there, see if it will burn. Leads me to believe that they are made from some sort of magnesium alloy and not pure mag... will see if i can find out, just for reference... This whole process for the 8 half runflats took me about 2 hours. Not too bad i guess. Not looking forward to it, but I have to do it all over again with my own rig in a few days.... ugh. __________________

11-03-2009, 10:49 AM	#23
KennyTJ The Pirate Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lebanon, Oh. Posts: 297	You see a lot of guys scap'in the run flats and cutting large PVC pipe to use inside the tire for the double bead lock. FWI - It's the magnesium powder/dust that catches fire quick and burns like fireworks! Just grind down the scrap and toss the "magic" dust in the campfire for you firewoks!

11-03-2009, 10:54 AM	#24
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	The pvc inserts are pricey, uhmw ones are even more. these are free and MUCH easier to install. You can get a damn hernia trying to put the pvc ones in... they are larger than the hole. __________________