Toyota Rear disc brakes issue - Page 2

Hotwheels · 02-24-2011, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pfreer3

I call BS on the 1" M/C not working... I have the same setup as you.

what calipers are you using?
I have the 1" V6 M/C with 1985 monty carlo calipers, (sky brackets) and have awesome brakes.

I even still have the Prop valve (lever tied up) in-line.

Davez off-road parts are usually pull-off parts, not new I believe. Least not what he sent me.

My guess is you still have air in the lines, or your M/C is bad...

That is nice that you have the same set up as me. The master that I got from davez is new and not used. I have no air in the lines. I have bleed the **** out of the brakes and know I have no air in the line. The set up on your 4runner with the rear dics brakes and my 95 runner I have read that people with older trucks and 4runner dont have problem but people with new runners and truck have had this problem.

gothodgie · 02-24-2011, 03:08 PM

For all of you who do not know Hotwheels, he is a good friend of mine and knows his sh** about mini trucks and 4runners. He has also been a Toyota mechanic for about 6 or 7 years now. I talked to him last night and he has done everything you guys have mentioned several times and them some.

pfeer, humpy... I have seen many of these conversions done on the 1st generation runners and trucks as you have and they get done without any trouble. I also know a few guys that have done this on 2nd gen 4runner and had these problems. After talking to Rob(hotwheels) i think he has come to they conclusion it has to do with the 4runners that came with ABS.

So all that being said... I hope i have not made anybody mad or steeped on any toes. I am not directing this at onyone in particular. I just thought everybody needed to know that Rob is not a newbie or some one who does not know anything about toyotas...

I know everybody is just trying to help, but some just seem to be beating a dead horse...

Rant over...

Chris

Hotwheels · 02-24-2011, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gothodgie

For all of you who do not know Hotwheels, he is a good friend of mine and knows his sh** about mini trucks and 4runners. He has also been a Toyota mechanic for about 6 or 7 years now. I talked to him last night and he has done everything you guys have mentioned several times and them some.

pfeer, humpy... I have seen many of these conversions done on the 1st generation runners and trucks as you have and they get done without any trouble. I also know a few guys that have done this on 2nd gen 4runner and had these problems. After talking to Rob(hotwheels) i think he has come to they conclusion it has to do with the 4runners that came with ABS.

So all that being said... I hope i have not made anybody mad or steeped on any toes. I am not directing this at onyone in particular. I just thought everybody needed to know that Rob is not a newbie or some one who does not know anything about toyotas...

I know everybody is just trying to help, but some just seem to be beating a dead horse...

Rant over...

Chris

Thanks, Chris

gothodgie · 02-24-2011, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotwheels

Thanks, Chris

Now get the d*** thing fixed so you can go wheeling .....

fabricator · 02-24-2011, 05:40 PM

Believe it's because of the name Rob....
thats the reason that he can't get them to bleed

humpy · 02-24-2011, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gothodgie

For all of you who do not know Hotwheels, he is a good friend of mine and knows his sh** about mini trucks and 4runners. He has also been a Toyota mechanic for about 6 or 7 years now. I talked to him last night and he has done everything you guys have mentioned several times and them some.

pfeer, humpy... I have seen many of these conversions done on the 1st generation runners and trucks as you have and they get done without any trouble. I also know a few guys that have done this on 2nd gen 4runner and had these problems. After talking to Rob(hotwheels) i think he has come to they conclusion it has to do with the 4runners that came with ABS.

So all that being said... I hope i have not made anybody mad or steeped on any toes. I am not directing this at onyone in particular. I just thought everybody needed to know that Rob is not a newbie or some one who does not know anything about toyotas...

I know everybody is just trying to help, but some just seem to be beating a dead horse...

Rant over...

Chris

damn people must be sensative!!!! i did not take any personal shots just agreed that anyone of these setups that i have seen or done never had that prob...i dont know nothin from the next guy lol i just got welfare junk...only thing different that he has versus the old style may be the vacuum booster....try a non abs booster and see what happens...if that dont work ill give 100 bucks for it

krawlin85toy · 02-24-2011, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gothodgie

Now get the d*** thing fixed so you can go wheeling .....

x2
I also have a first gen runner with converson and no problems,but as said each toy has a different problem. The new runner i am diong may have same issue as hotwheels. I am glad to see if i do I can fix also.

gothodgie · 02-24-2011, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by humpy

damn people must be sensative!!!! i did not take any personal shots just agreed that anyone of these setups that i have seen or done never had that prob...i dont know nothin from the next guy lol i just got welfare junk...only thing different that he has versus the old style may be the vacuum booster....try a non abs booster and see what happens...if that dont work ill give 100 bucks for it

Hotwheels · 02-24-2011, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by humpy

damn people must be sensative!!!! i did not take any personal shots just agreed that anyone of these setups that i have seen or done never had that prob...i dont know nothin from the next guy lol i just got welfare junk...only thing different that he has versus the old style may be the vacuum booster....try a non abs booster and see what happens...if that dont work ill give 100 bucks for it

It has a non ABS booster in it right now.

Hotwheels · 02-24-2011, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stickman

First, I had a very spongy pedal. I could easily hit the floor. Long before the tons went in. Used both abs and non-abs MC. Removed the lspv and same thing. Then I went to tons using the same rear 1/2 calipers in back with matching 1/2 ton calipers up front. Same problem. So I decided to try the GM swap. I spent way too many hours trying to decide between 1-1/8 vs 1-1/4. In the end it's such a cheap upgrade I thought it was best not to risk a pedal too stiff. If I wanted more it's just another 15 bucks.
Bingo! There it was. Now it's perfect. The pedal feel and brake grab is now closer to that of my car.

note: when we say bleeders on top, that means just that. The calipers should mount close to the 3 or 6 o'clock position depending on how you look at it. Bleeder right at 12. Anything else just won't do.

I did pull the top pin out and move the bleeders to 12 and still have the same spongy pedal.

pfreer3 · 02-24-2011, 08:43 PM

So if its got a non-ABS booster, what is different? Are the circuits layed out different? Guess I don't understand what COULD be different, unless I look at the brake systems.... I have access to Toyota online FSM for your newer rig, and I have an old 87 manual somewhere. I'd like to know for my own reference.

Didn't mean to offend, you run into a lot of unknowledgable people on forums...

I'll kick back a response if I find anything out...

Hotwheels · 02-24-2011, 10:34 PM

There is no diference between an ABS and non abs booster. There are just dual diaphram and single diaphram booster. The difference is the master there are ABS MC and non ABS MC. your older 4runner and my 2 gen runner are not the same. I will have the bracket made and I bought a GM master today. As soon as to get them on I will let you know the out come.

humpy · 02-25-2011, 12:05 AM

so why not run the master off the older style runner???

Hotwheels · 02-25-2011, 07:45 AM

I am running the master with non ABS 1" bore that is the master that you have to run. Am older master are 13/16 bore.

krawlin85toy · 02-25-2011, 03:37 PM

quit worring about the brakes and just get lower gears!!!

Just hurry up so we can go wheelin.

gothodgie · 02-25-2011, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krawlin85toy

quit worring about the brakes and just get lower gears!!!

Just hurry up so we can go wheelin.

humpy · 02-28-2011, 11:42 PM

so has this thing been burnt to the ground yet or what????????

Hotwheels · 03-01-2011, 07:46 PM

No, making the GM master cylinder plate hope to have it on Monday.

Flxratd · 03-01-2011, 07:50 PM

if that dont work see truggy for the needed boombooms to make the problem go away.

he likes to blow stuff up.

oh and i hope this works, need to get out and wheel

itbrokeagain · 03-01-2011, 08:11 PM

I hate brake issues. Been trying to get good brakes for years. Everything that works for everyone else wont work for you when you try it.

Hotwheels · 03-18-2011, 08:45 PM

Got everything bolted up tonight at work going to bleed the brakes tommarrow morning.

Hotwheels · 03-22-2011, 09:30 PM

Well I got everything bolted up last friday at work but didnt have the time to bleed the brakes because they were kicking me out of work for the night. Today I got all the brakes bleed out with the GM master on my runner. This thing brakes great with the bigger master on it. The pedal is great and everthing is working fine. All I need to do now find out where I want to adjust the proportion valve for the rear brakes.

02-24-2011, 03:08 PM	#27
gothodgie Join Date: May 2009 Location: loveland Posts: 843 Images: 49	For all of you who do not know Hotwheels, he is a good friend of mine and knows his sh** about mini trucks and 4runners. He has also been a Toyota mechanic for about 6 or 7 years now. I talked to him last night and he has done everything you guys have mentioned several times and them some. pfeer, humpy... I have seen many of these conversions done on the 1st generation runners and trucks as you have and they get done without any trouble. I also know a few guys that have done this on 2nd gen 4runner and had these problems. After talking to Rob(hotwheels) i think he has come to they conclusion it has to do with the 4runners that came with ABS. So all that being said... I hope i have not made anybody mad or steeped on any toes. I am not directing this at onyone in particular. I just thought everybody needed to know that Rob is not a newbie or some one who does not know anything about toyotas... I know everybody is just trying to help, but some just seem to be beating a dead horse... Rant over... Chris __________________ chris hodges 96 fzj80 3x locked, 4"lift, 37s, homebrew sliders and bumpers,a work in progress 71 fj55, SOA, locked...The jungle bus... retired

02-24-2011, 05:40 PM	#30
fabricator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cincy, Oh Posts: 947	Believe it's because of the name Rob.... thats the reason that he can't get them to bleed __________________ For you guys who can't drive, I have owned a frame rack for several years. Prices are based on your skill and ability to wreck it....

02-25-2011, 12:05 AM	#38
humpy Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 573	so why not run the master off the older style runner??? __________________ S10 with a few air shocks..

02-28-2011, 11:42 PM	#42
humpy Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 573	so has this thing been burnt to the ground yet or what???????? __________________ S10 with a few air shocks..

03-01-2011, 07:50 PM	#44
Flxratd Retired Join Date: May 2008 Location: Hamilton/Ross Posts: 645	if that dont work see truggy for the needed boombooms to make the problem go away. he likes to blow stuff up. oh and i hope this works, need to get out and wheel __________________ One of these days Zuk 2.0

02-24-2011, 08:43 PM	#36
pfreer3 Old Newb Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Independence Posts: 49	So if its got a non-ABS booster, what is different? Are the circuits layed out different? Guess I don't understand what COULD be different, unless I look at the brake systems.... I have access to Toyota online FSM for your newer rig, and I have an old 87 manual somewhere. I'd like to know for my own reference. Didn't mean to offend, you run into a lot of unknowledgable people on forums... I'll kick back a response if I find anything out...

02-24-2011, 10:34 PM	#37
Hotwheels Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Maineville, Ohio Posts: 125	There is no diference between an ABS and non abs booster. There are just dual diaphram and single diaphram booster. The difference is the master there are ABS MC and non ABS MC. your older 4runner and my 2 gen runner are not the same. I will have the bracket made and I bought a GM master today. As soon as to get them on I will let you know the out come.

02-25-2011, 07:45 AM	#39
Hotwheels Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Maineville, Ohio Posts: 125	I am running the master with non ABS 1" bore that is the master that you have to run. Am older master are 13/16 bore.

02-25-2011, 03:37 PM	#40
krawlin85toy Join Date: May 2007 Location: Hamilton Posts: 265 Images: 76	quit worring about the brakes and just get lower gears!!! Just hurry up so we can go wheelin.

03-01-2011, 07:46 PM	#43
Hotwheels Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Maineville, Ohio Posts: 125	No, making the GM master cylinder plate hope to have it on Monday.

03-01-2011, 08:11 PM	#45
itbrokeagain Just Empty Every Pocket - CORE Member - Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Amelia Posts: 1,435	I hate brake issues. Been trying to get good brakes for years. Everything that works for everyone else wont work for you when you try it. __________________ 91 fj 80 on 37 Nitto Muds with a 10k winch. Cage and sliders coming soon.

03-18-2011, 08:45 PM	#46
Hotwheels Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Maineville, Ohio Posts: 125	Got everything bolted up tonight at work going to bleed the brakes tommarrow morning.

03-22-2011, 09:30 PM	#47
Hotwheels Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Maineville, Ohio Posts: 125	Well I got everything bolted up last friday at work but didnt have the time to bleed the brakes because they were kicking me out of work for the night. Today I got all the brakes bleed out with the GM master on my runner. This thing brakes great with the bigger master on it. The pedal is great and everthing is working fine. All I need to do now find out where I want to adjust the proportion valve for the rear brakes.