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    From wcpo.com: Guess it's better than Fairfield which is supposedly giving tickets for breathing wrong...

    HAMILTON, Ohio -- One local police department is about to launch some new technology that could make you change your driving habits.

    Hamilton police say they are the first in the area to get a vehicle that can enforce speed without an officer inside.

    The new radar car looks like a typical SUV, but on top there's a radar. Inside there's a computer.

    There are two cameras in the front and two in the back that capture video and still pictures of speeding cars.

    "One will be focused on the license plate, the other will take continuous data," said Officer Rick Miller.

    Miller says he never thought he'd live to see something like this.

    The data automatically goes to an Arizona company called Redflex Traffic Systems that tracks the license plate of the speeding car and sends a $95 ticket to the person the car is registered to.

    Hamilton police will review every citation before it's sent. An officer will not be in the vehicle as it gathers information.

    "The cost of the program to the city is zero, so if it doesn't generate any revenue, that's fine," says Hamilton Police Sergeant Craig Bucheit. “If it slows people down and makes people safer, that's what's important to us.”

    The car is owned by the traffic company.

    The city gets 52% of all the money collected.

    Hamilton Police say you have to be going at least nine miles over the speed limit to get caught by the cameras.

    The police chief says the radar car will be used in school zones and around parks.

    "We have complaints in a lot of those areas," says Chief Neil Ferdelman.

    "We hope that we can keep a better check on crime because in this economy, this is a way for us to work smarter," the Chief says.

    James and Starlene Crawford are a brother and sister who live in a home that sits within the school zone for Hamilton's Fairwood Elementary and Garfield Middle School.

    They think the idea's great.

    "I see them flying up and down here all day, every day," says James.

    "I've seen several children almost get hit – including mine – that go to these schools," says Starlene.

    If you get one of the tickets, it's not reported to the Bureau of Motor Vehicles or your insurance company.

    You have a month to get used to the radar car. Only warnings will be given for the first 30 days.

    http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story...W4NK7fQcQ.cspx
    I want to be the reason you look down at your phone and smile........then walk into a pole.

  • #2
    Most government has become a business to make money and control in their interest. Whats the odds that this machine will venture out of the local parks and school zones and onto rt.4 or other locations? Wondering what are the statistics on previous injuries in the area they plan on keeping safer compared to their targeted goals on the new safety the machine will hopefully provide.

    Last week a friend of mine was ticketed by the hamilton police dept. for having excessively high headlights. Tape measure was used to determine that his lights were over the 48" height law measuring the center of the headlamp. Seen some semi's and trains that better watch out!
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    • #3
      Originally posted by 94Dodge Truggy View Post
      Last week a friend of mine was ticketed by the hamilton police dept. for having excessively high headlights. Tape measure was used to determine that his lights were over the 48" height law measuring the center of the headlamp.
      Surprised at the 48"...thought 54"
      (B) Height — Every headlamp upon every vehicle, including every motorcycle and motor-driven cycle, shall be located at a height measured from the center of the headlamp of not more than fifty-four inches nor less than twenty-four inches to be measured as set forth in section 4513.03 of the Revised Code.
      http://codes.ohio.gov/oac/4501-15

      But I'm not an expert and didn't look at this for long honestly..
      I want to be the reason you look down at your phone and smile........then walk into a pole.

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      • #4
        48 it is according to hamiltons law. Wonder if it is worth paying a lawyer and a persons time to fight against the city?
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        • #5
          The zero cost to the city is nice! So the out of state company will place the machine in their desired location. Hamilton will not be able to drive it to the location, establish locations or review violations as they will have zero money in it. Sure.
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          • #6
            Thankfully I drive an x90...so speeding isn't really an issue for me...
            I want to be the reason you look down at your phone and smile........then walk into a pole.

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            • #7
              i wonder what happens when 5 gallons of paint is poured over the car?

              Truggy, you got a paintball gun?

              If police are not writing the ticket, what makes it a legal citation?
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              • #8
                Its all about $ as it has become a business. Red light cameras have only increased the amount of wrecks as the money rolls in. This has been proven in Middletown as well. I do not speed in parks or in school zones as it gives me no pleasure in doing so.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hope Springs Hauler View Post
                  i wonder what happens when 5 gallons of paint is poured over the car?

                  Truggy, you got a paintball gun?

                  If police are not writing the ticket, what makes it a legal citation?
                  Shockwave proof is what I was wondering. Got 2 paintball guns but was in trouble years ago for a similar instance.
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                  • #10
                    Hamilton police and other businesses for their own common good and not who they are supposed to serve should be licensed as any other business has to be and read like this "Hamilton Police Dept. LLC."

                    I need to think some happy thoughts for a bit! Rant off.
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                    • #11
                      Shoulda stayed in Mt Washington...



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                      • #12
                        It is nothing more than a revenue generator, 100%! I do not care what the City says. This all came about last year when when the City realized that it was going to be 400 bazillion dollars (yes that is a lot!) in debt in a couple of years if they did not do something soon.

                        Maybe they should look at ways to bring business back to the city instead of running everyone off....

                        I better stop now as I am employed by the City and do not want to say something I should not.......Keep paying your utility bills!
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 94Dodge Truggy View Post
                          Its all about $ as it has become a business. Red light cameras have only increased the amount of wrecks as the money rolls in. This has been proven in Middletown as well. I do not speed in parks or in school zones as it gives me no pleasure in doing so.
                          I live in Middletown so I have experience with these POS's from redflex. The company makes money hand over fist all day long & every city they try to market them to nowadays is buying into it with the current economical conditions. The red light cameras are placed in the lower income neighborhoods, yes, in my area. There are none out in the more expensive areas of town where people run red lights just the same. the tickets from these things are split between the company and the city, and the city can say they have "no investment" in them so noone has to approve their installation since they "aren't costing the city anything". the tickets DO NOT cost as points against your license, but you still have to pay them or the city can enforce it (on your property taxes/utilities possibly?). the city has to be clearly marked that it used therse types of cameras at all entrances to the city so that visitors are aware of their use and the intersections also have signs at them "rewarning" you of their use. (who pays for all these signs???) After a couple years of the cameras here, a few stopped generating as much revenue so the city had a new "study" done and relocated and added more cameras to boost their income...

                          Now, a mobile vehicle sounds like a whole new can of worms. Don't think for one minute that the city will just use it in school zones during school hours. this is all about the cheese, and there's no cheese better than government cheese.

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                          • #14
                            I saw on redflex's site that they were in Middletown, wondered experience.. Was curious when I noted no points and no impact to insurance. Guess it makes sense they'll enforce against something tho to get their money.
                            I want to be the reason you look down at your phone and smile........then walk into a pole.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jfiscus View Post
                              There are none out in the more expensive areas of town where people run red lights just the same...
                              I commute from Withamsville, through Anderson, Mt Washington, Mt Lookout, Hyde Park, and Madisonville, on my way to Norwood.

                              I can tell you first hand that the more (ahem) apartment complexes there are in a neighborhood, the more people tend to blow redlights.

                              That said, I think (A) automated enforcement, purely for the sheer revenue stream, is an absolute crock, and (B) Obviously targeting the intersections in some neighborhoods (with less political influence?) and ignoring others is just as big a pile of horse poo as only setting up DUI checkpoints in the better neighborhoods where they know they can soak the average driver for $2500 in fees...



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