Question for fire folks...

KargoMaster · 12-06-2009, 03:18 PM

CFD 5, or anyone else that may know or have an opinion...

Should I have a Health, Flamability, Reactivity warning label on the outside of the garage?
Seems like these are more for liquid chemicals, but does anyone else post it just to keep our service(wo)men safer?

Last thing I want is for someone to go running in if the Acetylene tank is gonna explode...

By the way, I'm thinking that I need to wear one of these at all times on my person with a 1 in the Blue (Health) part...

1 = Caution - May be irritating

sarge · 12-06-2009, 03:32 PM

I'm gonna say no ! you can't expect everyone to post it. So you must assume that every garage,shop,house ...etc. has hazards such as these.

Angie says I should have to wear one ! something about methane !!

KargoMaster · 12-06-2009, 04:03 PM

Yeah, I see your point about assuming the worst, but I guess I was wondering if removing that assumption by posting the warning label might be beneficial... maybe it's just me... :confused:

Thanks for chiming in "your gasiousness"

gothodgie · 12-06-2009, 05:19 PM

I know the fire cheif told me that they always expect the worse...

my garage burnt down in Nov last year and i had all of the bad stuff, laquer thinner, paint scraps, old oil, gas cans, torches, etc... i was lucky, i think the only things that i thnk exploded was the gas cans and laquer thinner.... the fire stayed high in the building with 8 tires in the rafters...

it was a 3 alarm....
lost a lot but it all worked out in the end...:)

carwash · 12-06-2009, 06:11 PM

Oh i would cry like a little ***** if my shop burned like that.

redcj3a · 12-06-2009, 06:38 PM

Brad,

Personally, I wouldn't worry about placing the NFPA markings on your garage. Like Hodgie said, the fire personnel will assume there are hazards in a garage typically associated with a garage. Those hazards being gasoline, paints, gas grill propane tanks, insecticides, pesticides and such.

The lead seals in the acetylene bottles should melt and actually be safer than a one gallon metal gasoline can without any vents. The acetylene bottle will vent whereas the gallon can could essentially BLEVE. One problem with the acetylene is that an errant hose stream from a firefighter could extinguish the flame at the point of the safety valves and then acetylene would then feed into the structure until it finds an ignition point. With the flammable range of acetylene being as wide as it is it will reignite.

If you are home and a fire breaks out, try your best to meet the officer of the first arriving unit and inform him/her of the tanks. That will be one more piece of information for them to use in sizing up the situation and executing an attack on the fire.

John

gothodgie · 12-06-2009, 07:23 PM

Yea carwsh that was pretty much my first reaction... I wasn't home when it happened...

From the pics of your shop i have seen on here you have a much bigger place than i do and i lost 25k in tools plus the building...

The insurance company treated me good...
I built the new barn this spring..

BiggDaddy · 12-06-2009, 09:22 PM

We've got a volunteer fire department up here. One of the guys saw the doors open one day and stopped in to ask if I could show them around. There was a small group of them that came back the next week and kind of 'took inventory' of all this stuff. Propane tanks, torch, 500 gallon gas tank and such. You may want to give them a call and see if they are interested in taking a look, if you want them to.

BiggDaddy

94Dodge Truggy · 12-06-2009, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiggDaddy

We've got a volunteer fire department up here. One of the guys saw the doors open one day and stopped in to ask if I could show them around. There was a small group of them that came back the next week and kind of 'took inventory' of all this stuff. Propane tanks, torch, 500 gallon gas tank and such. You may want to give them a call and see if they are interested in taking a look, if you want them to.

BiggDaddy

have any break-ins after that looksie? :(

carwash · 12-06-2009, 10:14 PM

If my shop burned, I think i'd have to put it at $100k with building... and my insurance company would break it off in my ass, as they love to do that.

BiggDaddy · 12-06-2009, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 94Dodge Truggy

have any break-ins after that looksie? :(

No, nothing. My dad was a member of that same fd for years.

BiggDaddy

Rubi06 · 12-07-2009, 01:23 AM

You don't really need to post. We do expect the worst when we get there. Out of all the fires I've been to I have yet to see anything from torches or the similar melt through of become an issue where we become overly concerned. You learn to expect anything with you have a day a couple of your crew members fall into an in floor ink pit at a printing company fire.

GPER · 12-07-2009, 08:28 AM

I have seen torch bottle blow many years ago when I was kid. The construction company dad worked for burnt to the ground and the bottles pretty much just blew a flame straight up about 50 feet.

KargoMaster · 12-07-2009, 04:51 PM

Appreciate all the responses from some very trusted resources...

Just thought I would toss it out there for conversation... Some great discussion, Thank You.

94Dodge Truggy · 12-07-2009, 05:14 PM

No problem Kargomaster! It was somewhat interesting and I also leared a bit.

carwash · 12-07-2009, 05:44 PM

Do they have a symbol for "non running highly immobile, never gonna see the trail jeep" sign? You might get a sign with that symbol on it if so.

CFD5 · 12-07-2009, 05:58 PM

I've never seen a label at a residence and there's some crazy chit out there. I would think they should expect something possibly exlposive in a garage though, I do.

GPER · 12-07-2009, 07:47 PM

What would scare me are some of the guy's I work with buy lots of gun powder to do reloading with. They never do the reloading and by more powder and thousand of rounds on top of that.

94Dodge Truggy · 12-07-2009, 07:50 PM

I was looking at my firework inventory and was wondering how much is too much? I may have Rozzi's beat. I will have to bring some things to blow up on the new years run.

KargoMaster · 12-07-2009, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carwash

Do they have a symbol for "non running highly immobile, never gonna see the trail jeep" sign? You might get a sign with that symbol on it if so.

Thanks CW, appreciate the loving support.

carwash · 12-07-2009, 08:46 PM

turnabout isn't fair play? i've been waiting years to be able to rib someone else...

12-06-2009, 03:18 PM	#1
KargoMaster Cleaning off the rust... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,009	Question for fire folks... CFD 5, or anyone else that may know or have an opinion... Should I have a Health, Flamability, Reactivity warning label on the outside of the garage? Seems like these are more for liquid chemicals, but does anyone else post it just to keep our service(wo)men safer? Last thing I want is for someone to go running in if the Acetylene tank is gonna explode... By the way, I'm thinking that I need to wear one of these at all times on my person with a 1 in the Blue (Health) part... 1 = Caution - May be irritating __________________ brad 5.0L \| 435 \| 203 \| 300 \| 4.10 \| 39.5 Buildup BACK underway...

12-06-2009, 04:03 PM	#3
KargoMaster Cleaning off the rust... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,009	Yeah, I see your point about assuming the worst, but I guess I was wondering if removing that assumption by posting the warning label might be beneficial... maybe it's just me... :confused: Thanks for chiming in "your gasiousness" __________________ brad 5.0L \| 435 \| 203 \| 300 \| 4.10 \| 39.5 Buildup BACK underway...

12-06-2009, 05:19 PM	#4
gothodgie Join Date: May 2009 Location: loveland Posts: 843 Images: 49	I know the fire cheif told me that they always expect the worse... my garage burnt down in Nov last year and i had all of the bad stuff, laquer thinner, paint scraps, old oil, gas cans, torches, etc... i was lucky, i think the only things that i thnk exploded was the gas cans and laquer thinner.... the fire stayed high in the building with 8 tires in the rafters... it was a 3 alarm.... lost a lot but it all worked out in the end...:) Attached Thumbnails __________________ chris hodges 96 fzj80 3x locked, 4"lift, 37s, homebrew sliders and bumpers,a work in progress 71 fj55, SOA, locked...The jungle bus... retired

12-06-2009, 06:11 PM	#5
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	Oh i would cry like a little ***** if my shop burned like that. __________________

12-06-2009, 06:38 PM	#6
redcj3a Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Middletown Posts: 118	Brad, Personally, I wouldn't worry about placing the NFPA markings on your garage. Like Hodgie said, the fire personnel will assume there are hazards in a garage typically associated with a garage. Those hazards being gasoline, paints, gas grill propane tanks, insecticides, pesticides and such. The lead seals in the acetylene bottles should melt and actually be safer than a one gallon metal gasoline can without any vents. The acetylene bottle will vent whereas the gallon can could essentially BLEVE. One problem with the acetylene is that an errant hose stream from a firefighter could extinguish the flame at the point of the safety valves and then acetylene would then feed into the structure until it finds an ignition point. With the flammable range of acetylene being as wide as it is it will reignite. If you are home and a fire breaks out, try your best to meet the officer of the first arriving unit and inform him/her of the tanks. That will be one more piece of information for them to use in sizing up the situation and executing an attack on the fire. John __________________ 1950 CJ3A. Oddfire 225 V6, T-86 transmission, Dana 18 transfer case, 4 wheel disc brakes, locked front and rear. Manual saginaw steering. Warn winch, 9,000#.

12-06-2009, 03:32 PM	#2
sarge Pure Bacon Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Trenton, Oh Posts: 1,098	I'm gonna say no ! you can't expect everyone to post it. So you must assume that every garage,shop,house ...etc. has hazards such as these. Angie says I should have to wear one ! something about methane !!

12-06-2009, 07:23 PM	#7
gothodgie Join Date: May 2009 Location: loveland Posts: 843 Images: 49	Yea carwsh that was pretty much my first reaction... I wasn't home when it happened... From the pics of your shop i have seen on here you have a much bigger place than i do and i lost 25k in tools plus the building... The insurance company treated me good... I built the new barn this spring.. Attached Thumbnails __________________ chris hodges 96 fzj80 3x locked, 4"lift, 37s, homebrew sliders and bumpers,a work in progress 71 fj55, SOA, locked...The jungle bus... retired

12-06-2009, 09:22 PM	#8
BiggDaddy Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sidney, Ohio Posts: 52	call them?? We've got a volunteer fire department up here. One of the guys saw the doors open one day and stopped in to ask if I could show them around. There was a small group of them that came back the next week and kind of 'took inventory' of all this stuff. Propane tanks, torch, 500 gallon gas tank and such. You may want to give them a call and see if they are interested in taking a look, if you want them to. BiggDaddy __________________ '82 CJ-7, 6" lift, stock axles 258, 35x15.50x15 TSL/SX Rustoleum Gray

12-06-2009, 10:14 PM	#10
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	If my shop burned, I think i'd have to put it at $100k with building... and my insurance company would break it off in my ass, as they love to do that. __________________

12-07-2009, 01:23 AM	#12
Rubi06 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lebanon, Ohio Posts: 114 Images: 53	You don't really need to post. We do expect the worst when we get there. Out of all the fires I've been to I have yet to see anything from torches or the similar melt through of become an issue where we become overly concerned. You learn to expect anything with you have a day a couple of your crew members fall into an in floor ink pit at a printing company fire.

12-07-2009, 08:28 AM	#13
GPER Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kettering, Ohio Posts: 811	I have seen torch bottle blow many years ago when I was kid. The construction company dad worked for burnt to the ground and the bottles pretty much just blew a flame straight up about 50 feet.

12-07-2009, 04:51 PM	#14
KargoMaster Cleaning off the rust... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,009	Appreciate all the responses from some very trusted resources... Just thought I would toss it out there for conversation... Some great discussion, Thank You. __________________ brad 5.0L \| 435 \| 203 \| 300 \| 4.10 \| 39.5 Buildup BACK underway...

12-07-2009, 05:14 PM	#15
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	No problem Kargomaster! It was somewhat interesting and I also leared a bit. __________________

12-07-2009, 05:44 PM	#16
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	Do they have a symbol for "non running highly immobile, never gonna see the trail jeep" sign? You might get a sign with that symbol on it if so. __________________

12-07-2009, 05:58 PM	#17
CFD5 Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 35	I've never seen a label at a residence and there's some crazy chit out there. I would think they should expect something possibly exlposive in a garage though, I do.

12-07-2009, 07:47 PM	#18
GPER Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kettering, Ohio Posts: 811	What would scare me are some of the guy's I work with buy lots of gun powder to do reloading with. They never do the reloading and by more powder and thousand of rounds on top of that.

12-07-2009, 07:50 PM	#19
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	I was looking at my firework inventory and was wondering how much is too much? I may have Rozzi's beat. I will have to bring some things to blow up on the new years run. __________________

12-07-2009, 08:46 PM	#21
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	turnabout isn't fair play? i've been waiting years to be able to rib someone else... __________________