Catsle law???

[Hope Springs Hauler]

Originally Posted by TomH

I appreciate that there is no such thing as a stupid question, but, c'mon...


History is written by the survivors, if you get what I'm sayin'

I appreciate what you're saying, but I'm talkin' about lawyers here. They get off on details like this. At the very least, to know that you're alive is great but you may or may not be facing severe civil penalties because the castle doctrine does or doesn't apply. If the castle doctrine doesn't apply, I'd say a 3ft stick of DOM to the side of the head would be just as effective and much less prosecuteable.

My dearest wish is that we find court interpretations that define "home" to be the main residence and any secured outbuildings. The less thoughts you have rushing through your mind, the better.

BTW, have any of you actually had to pull a gun on someone? It ain't a John Wayne type feeling like you think it would be. Understand that.

[TomH]

Originally Posted by Hope Springs Hauler

I appreciate what you're saying, but I'm talkin' about lawyers here. They get off on details like this. At the very least, to know that you're alive is great but you may or may not be facing severe civil penalties because the castle doctrine does or doesn't apply. If the castle doctrine doesn't apply, I'd say a 3ft stick of DOM to the side of the head would be just as effective and much less prosecuteable.

My dearest wish is that we find court interpretations that define "home" to be the main residence and any secured outbuildings. The less thoughts you have rushing through your mind, the better.

BTW, have any of you actually had to pull a gun on someone? It ain't a John Wayne type feeling like you think it would be. Understand that.

If you've ever been in a shoot/don't shoot situation then you would appreciate that what the court might or might not say is irrelevant. (i.e. Take your chances with a jury versus an armed intruder.) But then again, I suppose YOUR best move might be to use one of your "Lifeline" calls to get an answer; hope your cell is close by.

[Hope Springs Hauler]

Originally Posted by TomH

If you've ever been in a shoot/don't shoot situation then you would appreciate that what the court might or might not say is irrelevant. (i.e. Take your chances with a jury versus an armed intruder.) But then again, I suppose YOUR best move might be to use one of your "Lifeline" calls to get an answer; hope your cell is close by.

Try answering the question before posing your own. ;) So are you saying you HAVE had to pull a gun on someone? Unless the answer is yes, I've got you on this one as I have held an intruder on the ground, gun in his face until the cop arrived AND resisted the temptation to end another's life. He broke in the back door of my house.

(The bittersweet conclusion to the story was that the cop lost the guy on the way to the car Great Lexington PD)

Your belief that the judge or jury's opinion is completely irrelevant had better be backed up by DEEP pockets. It ain't a criminal case I'm worried about; it's the stinking civil case that bothers me. You are also assuming that the intruder IS armed....etc. There are a lot of "if's" to any situation and you seem to be assuming that actually using deadly force is the correct answer immediately instead of taking a split second, assessing the situation and making a decision. I just hope a friend or family member doesn't drop in on you, you kill them and then you have to live with that regret because you didn't pause to assess the situation.

[TomH]

Originally Posted by Hope Springs Hauler

Try answering the question before posing your own. ;) So are you saying you HAVE had to pull a gun on someone? Unless the answer is yes, I've got you on this one as I have held an intruder on the ground, gun in his face until the cop arrived AND resisted the temptation to end another's life. He broke in the back door of my house.

(The bittersweet conclusion to the story was that the cop lost the guy on the way to the car Great Lexington PD)

Your belief that the judge or jury's opinion is completely irrelevant had better be backed up by DEEP pockets. It ain't a criminal case I'm worried about; it's the stinking civil case that bothers me. You are also assuming that the intruder IS armed....etc. There are a lot of "if's" to any situation and you seem to be assuming that actually using deadly force is the correct answer immediately instead of taking a split second, assessing the situation and making a decision. I just hope a friend or family member doesn't drop in on you, you kill them and then you have to live with that regret because you didn't pause to assess the situation.

I sure fell for that one. (i.e. The excuse to inject that stirring tale of your hand gun heroics.) Well, fact of the matter is that I have pulled a gun in self defense after someone broke into our house, but the outcome was nowhere near as dramatic. He fled before I could hold him down and put a gun in his face.

PS,
Thanks for the self-righteous firearm and legal liability lecture, (The "split second, assessing the situation and making a decision" verbiage was especially moving.) but you're about 30 years too late.

[Hope Springs Hauler]

Well, I guess you have just proved that you are SO much better than me
By your statements, you are a self-righteous prig that would be willing to shoot anyone (if they didn't run), then think about consequenses later. It must be awesome to live completely without fear of the abomination that is our legal system.

If you fell for anything, it was for the fact that you assume that people speak out of theory and not experience. Hand gun, or long gun, they are both deadly force. and you must have a sense of the gravity of their use before you take that responsibility. I'm going to leave this conversation before I say something that needs moderated.

Adam, I will let you know what this instructor says. Hopefully it mirrors what the instructor above has said (thefuzz).

[Nuts]

Originally Posted by Hope Springs Hauler

Adam, I will let you know what this instructor says. Hopefully it mirrors what the instructor above has said (thefuzz).

Thanks man,and for the record I'm not planning on shooting anyone! I was just wondering what would happen if the situation arose and wanted to find out anything I could about it.

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