Before & After - My 1993 K1500

[Redriverranger]

Mine is over 5000, I am sure. Ext cab small truck, wheelbase=131. You have to ditch a lot of creature comforts and tools/parts to get the weight down. Good luck. A thousand pounds is tough.

[twiztedzuki]

Originally Posted by 93 Krawler

I hear ya... I doubt I will ever run less than what my current drivetrain is. I just need another 100HP.

That is my thoughts exactly!! more motor!

[93 Krawler]

Originally Posted by humpy

Yea ill measure tomoris mornin when I'm at my shop... Those are tons and 43s ...it will be fairly low for a truggy rig... 23" belly and 76" to top of cage...

The top of my cage is 84" and belly is 22" on 39.5. It's 15'3" long and slider width is 76"

Originally Posted by Redriverranger

Mine is over 5000, I am sure. Ext cab small truck, wheelbase=131. You have to ditch a lot of creature comforts and tools/parts to get the weight down. Good luck. A thousand pounds is tough.

Yeah, I would miss my big box with tools, fluids etc. Sounds like if you want a V8 drivetrain and tons your gonna be heavy. I could get it under 5000 with not to much trouble. The motor I want would come close by itself.

Originally Posted by twiztedzuki

That is my thoughts exactly!! more motor!

The stock 5.7 tbi with 155000 miles on it is tired. I definetly need a boost in HP. I found an all aluminum 5.3 take out motor for $1300 on Ebay. It has 325 HP. The 5.7 had 205 HP. This engine has to lighter than my all cast iron turd.

[underpowered]

Cab buggy is best of both worlds.

having a large rig on tons and big tires but keeping it light is tough.

i want to weigh my beast, i am betting about the same as your truck at about 5200lbs or so. it is wider than your truck though, slider to slider is 80", but belly is 24 with an 84" roof height.

my next ride will be all tube, either with cab, or even just full side panels.

[yellowjacket]

i like where this thread is going..just saying!

[93 Krawler]

Originally Posted by underpowered

Cab buggy is best of both worlds.

having a large rig on tons and big tires but keeping it light is tough.

i want to weigh my beast, i am betting about the same as your truck at about 5200lbs or so. it is wider than your truck though, slider to slider is 80", but belly is 24 with an 84" roof height.

my next ride will be all tube, either with cab, or even just full side panels.

The last time i went to Harlan, I stopped by the CAT scales and got it weighed. I already knew what the trailer weighed hooked to the truck. The nearest gravel pit might do it for you.

[93 Krawler]

Since my rig hasn't sold yet, I don't see any point of giving it away.(low ball offers) I am probably going to keep it. So that leaves me wanting tires. I'm running 39.5 TSL's now, and wanted to try something different this time. I want the 40" LTB, but Interco isn't making them yet, so that doesn't leave much. That leaves an Irok or Bogger unless I use a different brand. Any ideas?

[WrenchMonkey]

Sorry it didn't sell like you hoped, but I am glad you're keeping it. Do like that rig...

I love my LTBs. You can't find a set of 40s anywhere? And no idea when you could?

4WP lists them as available? http://www.4wheelparts.com/Tires/16-..._pn=SSTLTB-204

[underpowered]

Boggers are great for around here, but their weakness shows when you get into Rocks. i'd be happy with a stickier compound Bogger.

If you can't find LTB's, Boggers would be my next choice. iroks would be behind other brands

[93 Krawler]

Originally Posted by WrenchMonkey

Sorry it didn't sell like you hoped, but I am glad you're keeping it. Do like that rig...

I love my LTBs. You can't find a set of 40s anywhere? And no idea when you could?

4WP lists them as available? http://www.4wheelparts.com/Tires/16-..._pn=SSTLTB-204

I see a lot of companies will sell them, but do they actually have them. National tire and wheel says they show what is actually available, and 4wheelonline.com shows the same as NTW. 34" is the biggest they have now. They are slowly bringing the tires back.

Originally Posted by underpowered

Boggers are great for around here, but their weakness shows when you get into Rocks. i'd be happy with a stickier compound Bogger.

If you can't find LTB's, Boggers would be my next choice. iroks would be behind other brands

The TSL's did great on the rocks, but just ok in the mud. I would destroy a set of Irocks, so not an option. I see people running Boggers in the rear, and TSL's in the front. Anyone here ever tried that? I wish I could fit 42's in, but I would have to link the front and push the axle forward to get them to fit.

[underpowered]

Originally Posted by 93 Krawler

The TSL's did great on the rocks, but just ok in the mud. I would destroy a set of Irocks, so not an option. I see people running Boggers in the rear, and TSL's in the front. Anyone here ever tried that? I wish I could fit 42's in, but I would have to link the front and push the axle forward to get them to fit.

I ran cut boggers rear/ TSL's front for a while on my old XJ and loved it. great combo IMO. TSL's helped greatly with steering issues many complain about with boggers.

Currently running TN/Aetna cut TSL's and IMO are almost as good but i am afraid of cutting a rear with how Open they are in the middle. would require a TON of time to cut them however.


Hopefully i can make a run with you all this year, i would be another Fullsize in the mix.

[twiztedzuki]

if ur 39.5s aint wore out buy good groover and put aetna cut on'm so you get to that hook dirt sense it gets trailerd

[93 Krawler]

Originally Posted by twiztedzuki

if ur 39.5s aint wore out buy good groover and put aetna cut on'm so you get to that hook dirt sense it gets trailerd

These tires are about 4 years old. I grooved them last summer, but just kept with the same tread pattern. It made a big improvement, but the outer lugs are rounded off.

I found a place that shows the LTB's are backordered till mid April. http://interco.factoryoutletstore.co...8,80633&page=1

I was doing some measuring to see if I could fit 42's up front, and the leaf springs pins aren't centered. They are offset about 3". If I flipped them around I could probably fit 42's in. That would give me a 120" wheelbase, which I really don't want. So I'm back to 40's. An 18" bogger in the rear is freakishly large to me. Sure wish they were 15" like the TSL. It looks like I either go down to a 38.5 SX, stay the 39.5 TSL, or use the 40" LTB.
I would like to know why Interco's tire sizes are all over the place...

[kyrel69]

if you can make the 42's fit I would run those. I have a buddy that went form 38's to 42 and it makes a lot of difference on how well you can get around.

[93 Krawler]

Originally Posted by kyrel69

if you can make the 42's fit I would run those. I have a buddy that went form 38's to 42 and it makes a lot of difference on how well you can get around.

I could fit a TSL SX - 15/42-15LT in easy enough. It's only 41.5" tall. One of the things that worry me about 42's on 15" rims is all that side wall showing. I'll get more tire flex, but wouldn't it make them more susceptible to slicing? According to that website, they would be available mid March.

[kyrel69]

Originally Posted by 93 Krawler

I could fit a TSL SX - 15/42-15LT in easy enough. It's only 41.5" tall. One of the things that worry me about 42's on 15" rims is all that side wall showing. I'll get more tire flex, but wouldn't it make them more susceptible to slicing? According to that website, they would be available mid March.

I think the only reason they might be more susceptible to being sliced is because there is more area to get hit, not because they are any weaker. I know when my 38sx are worn out I will be moving up to 42's then

[underpowered]

it would only be roughly 1 more inch of sidewall over your current 39.5's. you already have a bunch of sidewall.


42's will be my next tire after the 38.5's.

[93 Krawler]

If I get creative, I could make 42's fit without moving the axle forward. I could notch the firewall some more and do something with the cab mount. This sounds like a plan.

[93 Krawler]

Site says these are on national backorder, but will be ready for mid March shipment. I'm not so sure I believe them. Super Swamper TSL SX - 15/42-15LT - If they are, they'll be on by the Harlan trip in May.

[93 Krawler]

I'm not sure what to get. Most of the tires I want they don't sell right now. Who knows how long it will be before Interco makes the tires I want.

I might have to go with the TSL and Bogger combo. If I do the 42" TSL up front, and the 42.5 Bogger out back, what will that extra 1/2" do to the drivetrain if anything? Thinking about going back with the 39.5s, but I hate the Bogger being 18" wide. Anyone know if you can put an 18" tire on a 10" rim?

[underpowered]

i run a 16" wide on 10" wheels. i don't see 18" as a big issue on 10" either

your truck is offroad only right? if so, you will never notice 1/2". general Rule of thumb is to keep your gear ratios/tire sizes within 2 %. keep it under a 2% difference, and the difference is negligible. that is about a 1.2% difference in height, and since circumference is a direct relationship to diameter, same applies.

[blazerbrad]

I don't see any issue with mounting an 18" wide tire on an 10" wheel. I run the 39.5x15.5 and a buddy runs 42x15.5 TSL's on 8" wide rims with no issues for several years...so if you can run 15.5 on 8 you can run 18 on 10.

In pictures those 42" Boggers look really skinny and the 42" TSL look wide, would think it might look a little weird if that is true if you put TSL front and Bogger rear (of course I'm talking looks so it might not do as well at a car show). The slight difference in tire height should not be an issue.

[93 Krawler]

Originally Posted by underpowered

i run a 16" wide on 10" wheels. i don't see 18" as a big issue on 10" either

your truck is offroad only right? if so, you will never notice 1/2". general Rule of thumb is to keep your gear ratios/tire sizes within 2 %. keep it under a 2% difference, and the difference is negligible. that is about a 1.2% difference in height, and since circumference is a direct relationship to diameter, same applies.

Yeah, dedicated off-road rig. That's what I was thinking, but wanted more input.

Originally Posted by coachholland

If there's anyone in the country that has them outside of that guy down in TN, its going to be 4wheelparts. All the other places you mentions aren't even direct with Interco. 4wheelonline is some little office in Florida that never lays their hands on an actual part, that factoryoutletstore is the same thing. Some guy on the 20th floor of a building in NYC. NTB is direct and carry actual product, but don't carry much of Interco's stuff since the Denman fiasco several years back. Pretty much the same with everyone else outside 4WheelParts.

4wheelparts Swamper inventory never evens sees the Interco warehouse in Louisiana. They bypass that and have them shipped in direct from Mexico. I'd give them a call and see what they've got.

Called 4wheelparts and no deal. Said there is no ETA on them either. They have plenty of boggers, TSLs and Iroks.

Originally Posted by blazerbrad

I don't see any issue with mounting an 18" wide tire on an 10" wheel. I run the 39.5x15.5 and a buddy runs 42x15.5 TSL's on 8" wide rims with no issues for several years...so if you can run 15.5 on 8 you can run 18 on 10.

In pictures those 42" Boggers look really skinny and the 42" TSL look wide, would think it might look a little weird if that is true if you put TSL front and Bogger rear (of course I'm talking looks so it might not do as well at a car show). The slight difference in tire height should not be an issue.

The 42.5" Bogger is only 13.5" wide, so you're right.

Originally Posted by Flint

93Krawler, I looked back a couple of pages to see if you have a bead lock setup but didn't see that you did. Did I miss it? I only ask because lack of bead locks had impact on my tire setup.

Yes I have bead locks. Look back to page 1.



For $138 more than the 39.5's, I can get the 42's. If I go 42's, I'll have to move the front axle forward and increase my wheelbase by 2-3". I'd like to have 42's, but not a 120" wheelbase... Unless down the road I link the rear and shorten the wheelbase. Then I could remove 2' of the back that I needed for the shackles. Think I just talked myself into it...

[humpy]

The 42 boggers are very narrow especially where the actual tread is... The sidewall is wider than the actual tread... I didn't like the looks it function of them

[93 Krawler]

Originally Posted by humpy

The 42 boggers are very narrow especially where the actual tread is... The sidewall is wider than the actual tread... I didn't like the looks it function of them

The specs say the tread is 10", same as my rim. lol. That would look dumb as hell.

I really want to run a bogger in the rear because my truck is heavy and that sucks when it's muddy. Gravity is a *****. An 18" wide bogger would get real good traction. If I do 42's, then it'll have to be 4- 42" TSL's. I swore I wouldn't run 4 TSL's again. Such decisions...