Just got the Fourwheeler magazine...

itbrokeagain · 09-22-2010, 11:06 AM

Wow I cant wait for next month. Seems like a lot of very good competition this year.

Just curious but why no Dana 70s? Is it just a better move to go from tons to Rocks?

KennyTJ · 09-22-2010, 11:18 AM

A D70 is a 1 ton. I've seen many Jeeps with D70's but i've seen even more rigs with 14bolts. A D60 rear is really a 3/4 ton.

I guess not as much aftermarket for the D70 though. Limited locker and gear selection maybe? I've got a D80 under my dually and it's freakin' huge. I would say the rocks may have better clearance underneath.

carwash · 09-22-2010, 05:03 PM

Limited selection of aftermarket parts for the 70. 70 vs. 2.5 Rock is really no comparison. You can't build a 60 or 14b or 70 (no matter how much money you throw at it) to hold up to what a 2.5 can take. 10-15 years ago, anyone running a 60 got made fun of. "Who needs an axle that big, you're retarded."

KargoMaster · 09-22-2010, 09:35 PM

I thought that Big Ed (truck alt) had one... ahh yes... 70HD

Heck, even 12voltguy's Bronco has a 14 bolt...

I think that the different flavors of Dana70's also have some folks staying away from the 70 for fear of getting the wrong one??

You want an axle... Dana 80... that's an AXLE. 10 lug 11,000 weight rated one is a 1.25 ton axle... I have a WHOLE new appreciation for Morris's Buggy from a few years ago... Dana 80 center and Rockwell outters... Would love to see that one again... He was at the Sunfire Offroad booth a few years ago for the benefit IIRC... anyone know if that one is still around??

BIGRAM · 09-23-2010, 01:57 AM

I'm running a D70. It has performed great but lockers are too expensive. It's welded now and I'm happy,....so far.

blazerbrad · 09-23-2010, 10:18 AM

A Dana70 and 14-bolt FF are pretty comparable in regards to strength. About the only advantage is that some D70 models offer the option of really low gears (5.38 is lowest in 14FF). Front D70's are pretty rare and the only strength increase is the larger ring and pinion. Most/all did come stock with 35-spline stubs but that is a pretty easy upgrade to a D60. So the axleshafts are the same between a D60 and D70 (or at least a D60 is easily upgraded to be equal) and I just don't hear too many people breaking R&P's on a D60.

94Dodge Truggy · 09-23-2010, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by KargoMaster

I thought that Big Ed (truck alt) had one... ahh yes... 70HD

Heck, even 12voltguy's Bronco has a 14 bolt...

I think that the different flavors of Dana70's also have some folks staying away from the 70 for fear of getting the wrong one??

You want an axle... Dana 80... that's an AXLE. 10 lug 11,000 weight rated one is a 1.25 ton axle... I have a WHOLE new appreciation for Morris's Buggy from a few years ago... Dana 80 center and Rockwell outters... Would love to see that one again... He was at the Sunfire Offroad booth a few years ago for the benefit IIRC... anyone know if that one is still around??

12 volt guy was wanting to trade me for my tj. what do ya think?

Flxratd · 09-23-2010, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by KargoMaster

I thought that Big Ed (truck alt) had one... ahh yes... 70HD

Heck, even 12voltguy's Bronco has a 14 bolt...

I think that the different flavors of Dana70's also have some folks staying away from the 70 for fear of getting the wrong one??

You want an axle... Dana 80... that's an AXLE. 10 lug 11,000 weight rated one is a 1.25 ton axle... I have a WHOLE new appreciation for Morris's Buggy from a few years ago... Dana 80 center and Rockwell outters... Would love to see that one again... He was at the Sunfire Offroad booth a few years ago for the benefit IIRC... anyone know if that one is still around??

he had his new buggy down at gravelrama this year on sunday and all i can say is WOW. i know i will be accused of ridding his nuts but this thing now has 900hp and over 800tq and has been 120mph in the desert with 49"tires on it. it looks to have the same axle set up as the old buggy did. anyway its sharp.

94Dodge Truggy · 09-23-2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Flxratd

he had his new buggy down at gravelrama this year on sunday and all i can say is WOW. i know i will be accused of ridding his nuts but this thing now has 900hp and over 800tq and has been 120mph in the desert with 49"tires on it. it looks to have the same axle set up as the old buggy did. anyway its sharp.

Pics?

Flxratd · 09-23-2010, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 94Dodge Truggy

Pics?

cant find any yet. he doesnt have any on his site yet either but i will look and then get you to post them for me

carwash · 09-23-2010, 03:27 PM

I look forward to racing against him at KOH... which is what i believe he built it for. did he get qualified yet anyone know?

whacko810 · 09-23-2010, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Flxratd

cant find any yet. he doesnt have any on his site yet either but i will look and then get you to post them for me

I have 2 pics if someone can post them.

KargoMaster · 09-23-2010, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 94Dodge Truggy

12 volt guy was wanting to trade me for my tj. what do ya think?

I would rather have your TJ than Darren's Bronco... but that's just me.

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Originally Posted by Flxratd

he had his new buggy down at gravelrama this year on sunday and all i can say is WOW. .... it looks to have the same axle set up as the old buggy did. anyway its sharp.

Not sure if this means that he's built a new buggy and stole the axles from the old one, or if this is still the TTC buggy just rebuilt?? Either way... I would love to see those Dana80 center/Rockwell outer axles that he had in that thing... some serious time and custom parts to get those right...

Speaking of FourWheeler and TTC... don't forget that Monday at 8:00pm on the Outdoor channel (and HD) will be the first glimpse of TTC 2010 footage....

KargoMaster · 09-23-2010, 05:46 PM

Looks like go fast KOH buggy to me... Looks like Dana 80 center as well...

I still say that Roger's "Elmo" Power Wagon is the only vehicle that I've ever seen that makes 49" Iroks look like they belong...

eighty3bronco · 09-23-2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KargoMaster

Speaking of FourWheeler and TTC... don't forget that Monday at 8:00pm on the Outdoor channel (and HD) will be the first glimpse of TTC 2010 footage....

I just looked and the only thing I see at 8pm is Dirt Trax TV. before that is ultimate adventure.

jwend · 09-23-2010, 09:06 PM

I wonder if he was planing on putting any more lights on there. dont think he will be able to see very well!

yellowjacket · 09-23-2010, 09:46 PM

maybe if carwash built him a bigger stinger he could mount more lights on it....

i like the buggy. but i dont think bigger is better on a ultra 4 style rig.

carwash · 09-23-2010, 09:57 PM

It is a bit large IMO... 49's at 120 mph, no thanks, only if they were on a 24" wheel or larger. It's a sharp looking rig. And yes, the lights seem a bit ridiculous.

JeffK5 · 09-23-2010, 10:11 PM

Didn't he yard-sale his last rig at KOH last year?

carwash · 09-23-2010, 10:47 PM

Was that him? I wouldn't have recalled it, but now that you bring it up, i think maybe yer right...

Wait, wasn't that Thorsen? hahahah!

jwend · 09-24-2010, 12:38 AM

even with a 24 inch rim could you imagine the up travel speed on that tire and rim when you hit somthing!?!?!? H.S! could end up like a hairy woman very fast...= sh!ty situation! (just incase you were wondering if that was good or bad Rob)

KargoMaster · 09-24-2010, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by KargoMaster

Speaking of FourWheeler and TTC... don't forget that Monday at 8:00pm on the Outdoor channel (and HD) will be the first glimpse of TTC 2010 footage....

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Originally Posted by eighty3bronco

I just looked and the only thing I see at 8pm is Dirt Trax TV. before that is ultimate adventure.

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/...k/436135427490

Just going by this note in Facebook... but, you're right, I noticed that my DVR says something non-TTC in that time slot... hoping it will fix itself by Monday...

carwash · 09-24-2010, 09:11 AM

I checked it as well, mine does not list TTC footage as the show to come on in that time slot.

94Dodge Truggy · 09-24-2010, 09:41 AM

I am so excited that i think i just dribbled a little bit!

We need to make that night a poker tournament night and watch the show as well! You get distracted and I will take the loot!

KargoMaster · 09-24-2010, 10:18 AM

Don't get too excited... the whole darn thing is just a teaser to get you to buy the DVD... But I still can't wait to see it...

09-22-2010, 11:06 AM	#1
itbrokeagain Just Empty Every Pocket - CORE Member - Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Amelia Posts: 1,435	Just got the Fourwheeler magazine... Wow I cant wait for next month. Seems like a lot of very good competition this year. Just curious but why no Dana 70s? Is it just a better move to go from tons to Rocks? __________________ 91 fj 80 on 37 Nitto Muds with a 10k winch. Cage and sliders coming soon. Last edited by itbrokeagain; 09-22-2010 at 11:35 AM.

09-22-2010, 05:03 PM	#3
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	Limited selection of aftermarket parts for the 70. 70 vs. 2.5 Rock is really no comparison. You can't build a 60 or 14b or 70 (no matter how much money you throw at it) to hold up to what a 2.5 can take. 10-15 years ago, anyone running a 60 got made fun of. "Who needs an axle that big, you're retarded." __________________

09-22-2010, 09:35 PM	#4
KargoMaster Cleaning off the rust... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,009	I thought that Big Ed (truck alt) had one... ahh yes... 70HD Heck, even 12voltguy's Bronco has a 14 bolt... I think that the different flavors of Dana70's also have some folks staying away from the 70 for fear of getting the wrong one?? You want an axle... Dana 80... that's an AXLE. 10 lug 11,000 weight rated one is a 1.25 ton axle... I have a WHOLE new appreciation for Morris's Buggy from a few years ago... Dana 80 center and Rockwell outters... Would love to see that one again... He was at the Sunfire Offroad booth a few years ago for the benefit IIRC... anyone know if that one is still around?? __________________ brad 5.0L \| 435 \| 203 \| 300 \| 4.10 \| 39.5 Buildup BACK underway...

09-23-2010, 01:57 AM	#5
BIGRAM Ready to Wheel!!!!!!! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Stanton, KY Posts: 263	I'm running a D70. It has performed great but lockers are too expensive. It's welded now and I'm happy,....so far. __________________ 1994 Dodge Ram 5.9L SWB 3/4 axles, 39.5 IROKS, HYDRO assist

09-23-2010, 03:27 PM	#11
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	I look forward to racing against him at KOH... which is what i believe he built it for. did he get qualified yet anyone know? __________________

09-22-2010, 11:18 AM	#2
KennyTJ The Pirate Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lebanon, Oh. Posts: 297	A D70 is a 1 ton. I've seen many Jeeps with D70's but i've seen even more rigs with 14bolts. A D60 rear is really a 3/4 ton. I guess not as much aftermarket for the D70 though. Limited locker and gear selection maybe? I've got a D80 under my dually and it's freakin' huge. I would say the rocks may have better clearance underneath.

09-23-2010, 10:18 AM	#6
blazerbrad - CORE Member - Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 831 Images: 6	A Dana70 and 14-bolt FF are pretty comparable in regards to strength. About the only advantage is that some D70 models offer the option of really low gears (5.38 is lowest in 14FF). Front D70's are pretty rare and the only strength increase is the larger ring and pinion. Most/all did come stock with 35-spline stubs but that is a pretty easy upgrade to a D60. So the axleshafts are the same between a D60 and D70 (or at least a D60 is easily upgraded to be equal) and I just don't hear too many people breaking R&P's on a D60.

09-23-2010, 05:46 PM	#14
KargoMaster Cleaning off the rust... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,009	Looks like go fast KOH buggy to me... Looks like Dana 80 center as well... I still say that Roger's "Elmo" Power Wagon is the only vehicle that I've ever seen that makes 49" Iroks look like they belong... __________________ brad 5.0L \| 435 \| 203 \| 300 \| 4.10 \| 39.5 Buildup BACK underway... Last edited by KargoMaster; 09-23-2010 at 05:58 PM.

09-23-2010, 09:06 PM	#16
jwend Did I offend you? Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Independence, ky Posts: 544	I wonder if he was planing on putting any more lights on there. dont think he will be able to see very well! __________________ Dont look @ me in that tone of voice or I WILL PUNCH YOU IN THE SHIRT! :mad:

09-23-2010, 09:46 PM	#17
yellowjacket barely breathing Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: alexandria, ky Posts: 889	maybe if carwash built him a bigger stinger he could mount more lights on it.... i like the buggy. but i dont think bigger is better on a ultra 4 style rig.

09-23-2010, 09:57 PM	#18
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	It is a bit large IMO... 49's at 120 mph, no thanks, only if they were on a 24" wheel or larger. It's a sharp looking rig. And yes, the lights seem a bit ridiculous. __________________

09-23-2010, 10:11 PM	#19
JeffK5 Tiny Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Colerain Posts: 798	Didn't he yard-sale his last rig at KOH last year?

09-23-2010, 10:47 PM	#20
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	Was that him? I wouldn't have recalled it, but now that you bring it up, i think maybe yer right... Wait, wasn't that Thorsen? hahahah! __________________

09-24-2010, 12:38 AM	#21
jwend Did I offend you? Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Independence, ky Posts: 544	even with a 24 inch rim could you imagine the up travel speed on that tire and rim when you hit somthing!?!?!? H.S! could end up like a hairy woman very fast...= sh!ty situation! (just incase you were wondering if that was good or bad Rob) __________________ Dont look @ me in that tone of voice or I WILL PUNCH YOU IN THE SHIRT! :mad:

09-24-2010, 09:11 AM	#23
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	I checked it as well, mine does not list TTC footage as the show to come on in that time slot. __________________

09-24-2010, 09:41 AM	#24
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	I am so excited that i think i just dribbled a little bit! We need to make that night a poker tournament night and watch the show as well! You get distracted and I will take the loot! __________________

09-24-2010, 10:18 AM	#25
KargoMaster Cleaning off the rust... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,009	Don't get too excited... the whole darn thing is just a teaser to get you to buy the DVD... But I still can't wait to see it... __________________ brad 5.0L \| 435 \| 203 \| 300 \| 4.10 \| 39.5 Buildup BACK underway...