Project Coppertop Axle Swap

Coppertop · 12-05-2010, 12:11 PM

Picked up some axles yesterday.Even with the snow falling and the ground a snow/muddy mess ,I manage to cut the axles out.

Dana 44 front and Dana 60 rear out of a 1979 F250. Paid 300.00 :)

Now ,let the adventure begin.....

Nick

KargoMaster · 12-05-2010, 03:00 PM

nice... I bet you'll sure miss those 7 minute Dana30 axle changes, won't you?

lky13blazer · 12-05-2010, 03:11 PM

Great deal on the axles....hopefully by spring I'll be doing my yj.I'll be following this one for sure

Hope Springs Hauler · 12-05-2010, 04:40 PM

Is a disc brake swap on tap for the rear?

Coppertop · 12-05-2010, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KargoMaster

nice... I bet you'll sure miss those 7 minute Dana30 axle changes, won't you?

You know it..Changed out way to many...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hope Springs Hauler

Is a disc brake swap on tap for the rear?

For sure,Already been researching..Thinking bout these...
http://bluetorchfab.com/store/advanc...42u0&x=10&y=11

The build sheet is in the works.

Nick

boomhauer · 12-05-2010, 07:22 PM

lky13blazer...if you are going to do the same to yours then i have a '79 ford rearend that you will want. $100.00 and it's yours. it is complete.

lky13blazer · 12-05-2010, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by boomhauer

lky13blazer...if you are going to do the same to yours then i have a '79 ford rearend that you will want. $100.00 and it's yours. it is complete.

thanks I'll keep it in mind but it will be at least after the first of the year before i get to...do you know the gear ratio? and bolt pattern?

Coppertop · 12-06-2010, 12:28 AM

The build list so far...

Clayton front axle bracket kit. http://claytonoffroad.com/product_in...products_id/83

6.5 Lift Rough Country Long Arm Suspension Kit
http://www.roughcountry.com/jeep_xj_6xla.html

Blue Torch Fabworks
http://www.bluetorchfab.com/store/
Dana 60 rear Disc Brake brackets ( BTF11021)
Rear Spring Perchs (BTF11016)
Rear Diff Cover/truss DYI Kit (BTF11076)
Front Diff Cover/truss DYI kIT(BTF11074)

Both front and rear trusses will be homebuilt.

Thinking about KM2 35's Tires and these beadlocks(Trailready)http://www.4x4groupbuy.com/store/tra...65-p-8463.html

Gears will be 4.88's with a Front ARB locker and rear Detroit.

More to come...All comments welcome.

Heck ,I wanna do it right the first time.

Nick

boomhauer · 12-06-2010, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by lky13blazer

thanks I'll keep it in mind but it will be at least after the first of the year before i get to...do you know the gear ratio? and bolt pattern?

8 lug, 3:54's

KennyTJ · 12-06-2010, 02:09 PM

If your gonna run beadlocks i'd get some serious offroad tires in a bias ply for strong sidewall. Something like a TSL. I run 36" TSL SX's and they are awesome with like 2psi in them. I would NOT run a radial tire sidewall in the rocks, you'll go from changing D30 axle shafts to replacing $200+ tire every trip. I run 35" BFG AT's on the street, great snow tire for on the highway also! with 6" lift you'll have plenty of room for a 36" and the axles are no problem.

Just my 2cents.

itbrokeagain · 12-06-2010, 10:27 PM

I love the KM2s. Outrageously priced though. To get the size I want is around 3 grand for 4.

Coppertop · 12-07-2010, 04:30 PM

I like the TSL's too..But ,I need the best of both(Good street /trail tire).Still kicking around the bigger size tire(36).It's amazing how the price goes way up when you get larger than a 35..

Nick

94Dodge Truggy · 12-07-2010, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KennyTJ

If your gonna run beadlocks i'd get some serious offroad tires in a bias ply for strong sidewall. Something like a TSL. I run 36" TSL SX's and they are awesome with like 2psi in them. I would NOT run a radial tire sidewall in the rocks, you'll go from changing D30 axle shafts to replacing $200+ tire every trip. I run 35" BFG AT's on the street, great snow tire for on the highway also! with 6" lift you'll have plenty of room for a 36" and the axles are no problem.

Just my 2cents.

I too have been amazed at how well the bfg at's perform. I owned 2 very similar trucks a few years back with 35" BFG at's and the other with bias ply 36" TSL's. Both new sets and in the light mud, deep snow and street the at's ruled. Deep mud and wet rocks were home to the TSL's though. Buy some maxxis trepadors! I am thinking of giving them a try.

mckeddie · 12-07-2010, 07:17 PM

my old 36'' iroks always amazed me how well they did on the street. they were bias, and unbalanced would run 80 mph down the highway smooth as silk.

KennyTJ · 12-08-2010, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 94Dodge Truggy

I too have been amazed at how well the bfg at's perform. I owned 2 very similar trucks a few years back with 35" BFG at's and the other with bias ply 36" TSL's. Both new sets and in the light mud, deep snow and street the at's ruled. Deep mud and wet rocks were home to the TSL's though. Buy some maxxis trepadors! I am thinking of giving them a try.

I have not heard anything good about the Treps. Lester hates them on this YJ. I have heard the Pitbull Rocker bias are extreamly awesome!

Now back to the op....
sorry!

94Dodge Truggy · 12-08-2010, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KennyTJ

I have not heard anything good about the Treps. Lester hates them on this YJ. I have heard the Pitbull Rocker bias are extreamly awesome!

Now back to the op....
sorry!

Pitbulls have worked well for me but are damn heavy!

HumminNBoatin · 12-08-2010, 05:39 PM

I had the 37" BFG KM1's and they sucked for sidewall strenght. I replaced them with toyo M/T's. Knock on wood the toyo's have NEVER had any problems on or off road. They even run better down the highway than my
KM1's did. The side wall on the Toyo is like 3/4" thick.

I also think the Goodyear Kevlar mtr is a good tire to look into.

You are not kidding on tire prices skyrocketing once you get to 35 and beyond...

Coppertop · 12-10-2010, 04:51 PM

After a few hours of research...I found three good front axle kits .(Clayton,Rubicon Express,and T&T Customs) I decided on the T&T.
http://02ea137.netsolstores.com/fron...ngstyle-1.aspx

I like the truss design (should save me a ton of mock up time),so simple even I can set it up.

The rear axle will have T&T'S u-bolt eliminator kit.
http://02ea137.netsolstores.com/u-bolteliminiators.aspx
My plan was to run a ladder bar(to prevent axle wrap)I understand ,with this design it will prevent axle wrap ..Again saving me time and money.

Nick

boomhauer · 12-11-2010, 12:41 AM

a competition compound trepador is prolly the best tire on the market but they are strictly offroad tires. km2's would be your best bet IMO.

itbrokeagain · 12-11-2010, 11:15 AM

$144 each. http://http://www.treadwright.com/sh...guard-dog.aspx

gothodgie · 12-11-2010, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by itbrokeagain

$144 each. http://http://www.treadwright.com/sh...guard-dog.aspx

link is not working correctly...

itbrokeagain · 12-11-2010, 03:01 PM

http://www.treadwright.com/shopnow/e...7x125r165.aspx

Linky linky

Coppertop · 12-11-2010, 06:00 PM

Heck of a deal...

Nick

itbrokeagain · 12-11-2010, 11:03 PM

Thinking about buying one for a spare

gothodgie · 12-11-2010, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itbrokeagain

http://www.treadwright.com/shopnow/e...7x125r165.aspx

Linky linky

I have looked at these a couple times and have researched the some and they seem to have a good track record for the last few years in the smaller sizes. The just don't many 15" choices in bigger sizes.

12-05-2010, 12:11 PM	#1
Coppertop XJWHEELING Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Colerain Township Posts: 837	Project Coppertop Axle Swap Picked up some axles yesterday.Even with the snow falling and the ground a snow/muddy mess ,I manage to cut the axles out. Dana 44 front and Dana 60 rear out of a 1979 F250. Paid 300.00 :) Now ,let the adventure begin..... Nick __________________ Just a 200 dollar cherokee that wouldn't start .. Ten years later same chrome grille ..

12-05-2010, 03:00 PM	#2
KargoMaster Cleaning off the rust... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,009	nice... I bet you'll sure miss those 7 minute Dana30 axle changes, won't you? __________________ brad 5.0L \| 435 \| 203 \| 300 \| 4.10 \| 39.5 Buildup BACK underway...

12-05-2010, 04:40 PM	#4
Hope Springs Hauler Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Hamilton, OH Posts: 431 Images: 16	Is a disc brake swap on tap for the rear? __________________ 1988 Suzuki Samurai on propane FJ 40 axles (4.10) 5.14 tcase 36" TSL SX

12-05-2010, 07:22 PM	#6
boomhauer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 188	lky13blazer...if you are going to do the same to yours then i have a '79 ford rearend that you will want. $100.00 and it's yours. it is complete. __________________ 95 yj, fresh fuel injected 302, c-6, twin sticked 205, 3 linked high pinion d60 front, double trianulated 4 linked 14 bolt rear (all aluminum links) locked both ends, 4:56 gears, full hydro steering, high steer, 4 wheel discs, 16" 2.5 fox air shocks, 39.5" irok's. just finishing a full frame-up redo thanks to a great friend and one knowledgable(sp?) s.o.b casey cravens for without him this could not have been done in such a short time and done right! LOOK OUT "WHITEY" HERE I COME!!!

12-06-2010, 12:28 AM	#8
Coppertop XJWHEELING Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Colerain Township Posts: 837	Build List Part one The build list so far... Clayton front axle bracket kit. http://claytonoffroad.com/product_in...products_id/83 6.5 Lift Rough Country Long Arm Suspension Kit http://www.roughcountry.com/jeep_xj_6xla.html Blue Torch Fabworks http://www.bluetorchfab.com/store/ Dana 60 rear Disc Brake brackets ( BTF11021) Rear Spring Perchs (BTF11016) Rear Diff Cover/truss DYI Kit (BTF11076) Front Diff Cover/truss DYI kIT(BTF11074) Both front and rear trusses will be homebuilt. Thinking about KM2 35's Tires and these beadlocks(Trailready)http://www.4x4groupbuy.com/store/tra...65-p-8463.html Gears will be 4.88's with a Front ARB locker and rear Detroit. More to come...All comments welcome. Heck ,I wanna do it right the first time. Nick __________________ Just a 200 dollar cherokee that wouldn't start .. Ten years later same chrome grille ..

12-05-2010, 03:11 PM	#3
lky13blazer Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Delhi Ohio Posts: 19	Great deal on the axles....hopefully by spring I'll be doing my yj.I'll be following this one for sure

12-06-2010, 02:09 PM	#10
KennyTJ The Pirate Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lebanon, Oh. Posts: 297	If your gonna run beadlocks i'd get some serious offroad tires in a bias ply for strong sidewall. Something like a TSL. I run 36" TSL SX's and they are awesome with like 2psi in them. I would NOT run a radial tire sidewall in the rocks, you'll go from changing D30 axle shafts to replacing $200+ tire every trip. I run 35" BFG AT's on the street, great snow tire for on the highway also! with 6" lift you'll have plenty of room for a 36" and the axles are no problem. Just my 2cents.

12-06-2010, 10:27 PM	#11
itbrokeagain Just Empty Every Pocket - CORE Member - Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Amelia Posts: 1,435	I love the KM2s. Outrageously priced though. To get the size I want is around 3 grand for 4. __________________ 91 fj 80 on 37 Nitto Muds with a 10k winch. Cage and sliders coming soon.

12-07-2010, 04:30 PM	#12
Coppertop XJWHEELING Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Colerain Township Posts: 837	I like the TSL's too..But ,I need the best of both(Good street /trail tire).Still kicking around the bigger size tire(36).It's amazing how the price goes way up when you get larger than a 35.. Nick __________________ Just a 200 dollar cherokee that wouldn't start .. Ten years later same chrome grille ..

12-07-2010, 07:17 PM	#14
mckeddie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: van wert oh Posts: 583	my old 36'' iroks always amazed me how well they did on the street. they were bias, and unbalanced would run 80 mph down the highway smooth as silk. __________________ zuk buggy.....it'll be a jeep eventually.

12-08-2010, 05:39 PM	#17
HumminNBoatin Like Nothing Else Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Mason, OH Posts: 109	I had the 37" BFG KM1's and they sucked for sidewall strenght. I replaced them with toyo M/T's. Knock on wood the toyo's have NEVER had any problems on or off road. They even run better down the highway than my KM1's did. The side wall on the Toyo is like 3/4" thick. I also think the Goodyear Kevlar mtr is a good tire to look into. You are not kidding on tire prices skyrocketing once you get to 35 and beyond... __________________ The Hummer Club Inc. Director - Events Planning/Ambassador Program Eric@TheHummerClubInc.com www.thehummerclubinc.com

12-10-2010, 04:51 PM	#18
Coppertop XJWHEELING Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Colerain Township Posts: 837	Axle mounting kits ordered After a few hours of research...I found three good front axle kits .(Clayton,Rubicon Express,and T&T Customs) I decided on the T&T. http://02ea137.netsolstores.com/fron...ngstyle-1.aspx I like the truss design (should save me a ton of mock up time),so simple even I can set it up. The rear axle will have T&T'S u-bolt eliminator kit. http://02ea137.netsolstores.com/u-bolteliminiators.aspx My plan was to run a ladder bar(to prevent axle wrap)I understand ,with this design it will prevent axle wrap ..Again saving me time and money. Nick __________________ Just a 200 dollar cherokee that wouldn't start .. Ten years later same chrome grille ..

12-11-2010, 12:41 AM	#19
boomhauer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 188	a competition compound trepador is prolly the best tire on the market but they are strictly offroad tires. km2's would be your best bet IMO. __________________ 95 yj, fresh fuel injected 302, c-6, twin sticked 205, 3 linked high pinion d60 front, double trianulated 4 linked 14 bolt rear (all aluminum links) locked both ends, 4:56 gears, full hydro steering, high steer, 4 wheel discs, 16" 2.5 fox air shocks, 39.5" irok's. just finishing a full frame-up redo thanks to a great friend and one knowledgable(sp?) s.o.b casey cravens for without him this could not have been done in such a short time and done right! LOOK OUT "WHITEY" HERE I COME!!!

12-11-2010, 11:15 AM	#20
itbrokeagain Just Empty Every Pocket - CORE Member - Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Amelia Posts: 1,435	$144 each. http://http://www.treadwright.com/sh...guard-dog.aspx __________________ 91 fj 80 on 37 Nitto Muds with a 10k winch. Cage and sliders coming soon.

12-11-2010, 03:01 PM	#22
itbrokeagain Just Empty Every Pocket - CORE Member - Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Amelia Posts: 1,435	http://www.treadwright.com/shopnow/e...7x125r165.aspx Linky linky __________________ 91 fj 80 on 37 Nitto Muds with a 10k winch. Cage and sliders coming soon.

12-11-2010, 06:00 PM	#23
Coppertop XJWHEELING Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Colerain Township Posts: 837	Heck of a deal... Nick __________________ Just a 200 dollar cherokee that wouldn't start .. Ten years later same chrome grille ..

12-11-2010, 11:03 PM	#24
itbrokeagain Just Empty Every Pocket - CORE Member - Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Amelia Posts: 1,435	Thinking about buying one for a spare __________________ 91 fj 80 on 37 Nitto Muds with a 10k winch. Cage and sliders coming soon.