winching down (to?) an axle...

KargoMaster · 04-01-2007, 11:39 PM

Ok, so with the 2.5" airshocks as the only thing holding up my (someday to be completed) rig... and my quest for absolute control (remember my twinsticked Dana300, behind np203 LRG, with bias braking front and rear... it's all about control...)

Question is:
How much force would it take to winch down an axle?

That's not all... My assumption is that the shock load on the wire rope while the rig is bouncing on a hill would be greater than that value, but by what factor?

I'm considering (a) smaller winch(es) for just this duty. I just can't see me getting out before I need to pull my front end down to attach my standard duty Warn, thereby occupying it with another task, effectively disabling the possibility of emergency activity.

This making sense to anyone?

There's also the "accumulator" idea that I have, so that I can keep them connected at all times without influenceing my standard suspension... or getting wire rope into my driveshafts... that would be bad.
...but that's still an idea under development...

94Dodge Truggy · 04-02-2007, 08:39 AM

Throwing more weight upfront? No way! Get a winch for the rear and one for the front and be done with it. I have had to use the rear winch for the front before and sat outside of the truggy with the winch remote in hand. If a situation arrived where you needed your front winch, connect a ratchet strap to the loaded axle and use the front winch. How about that

:o

carwash · 04-02-2007, 09:51 AM

I'm with Brad, i will be using smaller ATV style winches, mounted upside down, with only enough cable on them to circle the drum a few time, and then reach to my axle at full drop. I will keep it fairly cinched up most of the time, and it will also act as a center limiting strap. I'm not too concerned about the strenght of it, as i see comp guys thrashing these little winches all the time without failure.

I will be nice to be able to tuck the front end down when trying to crest the top of a ledge. Those air shocks are gonna wanna push it right over backwards.

Just look into quality winches brad and it shouldnt be a problem. Maybe i can find a deal on 4 of them for us.

Treefrogsw · 04-02-2007, 10:23 AM

Damn, so much for keeping wheeling simple.. What was the first question Brad? :)

Good luck, like anything else it gonna be personal choice. Sounds really cool though.

KargoMaster · 04-02-2007, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Treefrogsw

Damn, so much for keeping wheeling simple.. What was the first question Brad? :)

Good luck, like anything else it gonna be personal choice. Sounds really cool though.

Thanks for the laugh Steve... Don't you worry, when I get to the seats and soft covers (ie - bikini-ish tops) I'll be calling you with some questions...

CW, you see the 12VoltGuy's giveaway yesterday on Priate... I've been on his site ever since... making plans... :)

carwash · 04-03-2007, 09:45 AM

Seabass' stuff is the shizzle, he makes aweseom stuff. he will be doing the main panel for my jeep.

KargoMaster · 04-03-2007, 12:20 PM

These should work...

$99.99 from Northern Tool right now... Can't beat that price.

Some specs:
Pulling Capacity: 1700 lbs.
Switch Type: Remote with 12ft. lead
Motor: Permanent magnet, 3.0in. diameter
HP: 1.6 HP
Power: 12V DC
Gear Train: Split ring gear
Gear Ratio: 153:1
Clutch: Knob-pull and turn
Brake: Self-locking gear train (rated load holding) (as opposed to the disc brakes in the ATV winches, I like this better..)
Wire Rope: 3/16in. x 35ft. (will be replaced with 7/16" or 3/8")
Drum Diameter: 1 1/8in.
Fairlead: Hawse
Hole Pattern: 2 holes on 3.1in. center
Electric Leads: 2-6ft. x 6 gauge cable
1-year limited warranty
U.S.A.
Model 651700

carwash · 04-03-2007, 12:43 PM

nice deal brad, better than what you told me last night.

carwash · 04-03-2007, 12:47 PM

work ok upside down you think, any issue?

KargoMaster · 04-03-2007, 01:03 PM

Well, they won't be 180 degrees upside down... more like 90 degrees sideways... I can't see any issue other than possibly water drainage?

Front will be under the hood, and I'm thinking that I may get an ATV style cover for the rear one...

The drum diameters on the Warn Works series seem to be slightly smaller, but for what I'm going to do with them, I'm assuming that they'll be fine...

carwash · 04-03-2007, 02:34 PM

hmmm, yeah 90 is right, never thought of that...

94Dodge Truggy · 04-03-2007, 03:21 PM

Yeah, I am gunna run one of dem for each wheel on my here axle u see n case the terrain is off camber doggonit. It will be cool u see. ;)

JET455 · 04-03-2007, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 94Dodge Truggy

Yeah, I am gunna run one of dem for each wheel on my here axle u see n case the terrain is off camber doggonit. It will be cool u see. ;)

copycat:p

jeepmanjeff · 04-04-2007, 08:28 PM

Wow am I behind the times...You all read to much!

mckeddie · 04-11-2007, 11:55 PM

hey brad, give butch a call, he is in the process of mounting one in the rear of his jeep right now. i think his is like a 1300lb atv winch i believe. wait till you see the ronald mcdonald mobile this year, it is pretty sic. maybe one of these days i'll get his old 60's out of my driveway and under my jeep if i don't sell it

KargoMaster · 04-12-2007, 09:43 PM

I definitely have to do that soon... (I just got back from out of town.)
I can't wait to see Butch's rig again... it was badass with one tons... guess that means it's 2.5 times as badass now.

Got the two 1700# winches just before I left... They should work really nicely.

carwash · 04-12-2007, 10:07 PM

2.5's are for the ghey.

lugie · 04-13-2007, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carwash

2.5's are for the ghey.

YEP!

04-01-2007, 11:39 PM	#1
KargoMaster Cleaning off the rust... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,009	winching down (to?) an axle... Ok, so with the 2.5" airshocks as the only thing holding up my (someday to be completed) rig... and my quest for absolute control (remember my twinsticked Dana300, behind np203 LRG, with bias braking front and rear... it's all about control...) Question is: How much force would it take to winch down an axle? That's not all... My assumption is that the shock load on the wire rope while the rig is bouncing on a hill would be greater than that value, but by what factor? I'm considering (a) smaller winch(es) for just this duty. I just can't see me getting out before I *need* to pull my front end down to attach my standard duty Warn, thereby occupying it with another task, effectively disabling the possibility of emergency activity. This making sense to anyone? There's also the "accumulator" idea that I have, so that I can keep them connected at all times without influenceing my standard suspension... or getting wire rope into my driveshafts... that would be bad. ...but that's still an idea under development... __________________ brad 5.0L \| 435 \| 203 \| 300 \| 4.10 \| 39.5 Buildup BACK underway...

04-02-2007, 09:51 AM	#3
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	I'm with Brad, i will be using smaller ATV style winches, mounted upside down, with only enough cable on them to circle the drum a few time, and then reach to my axle at full drop. I will keep it fairly cinched up most of the time, and it will also act as a center limiting strap. I'm not too concerned about the strenght of it, as i see comp guys thrashing these little winches all the time without failure. I will be nice to be able to tuck the front end down when trying to crest the top of a ledge. Those air shocks are gonna wanna push it right over backwards. Just look into quality winches brad and it shouldnt be a problem. Maybe i can find a deal on 4 of them for us. __________________

04-03-2007, 09:45 AM	#6
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	Seabass' stuff is the shizzle, he makes aweseom stuff. he will be doing the main panel for my jeep. __________________

04-03-2007, 12:20 PM	#7
KargoMaster Cleaning off the rust... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,009	Warn Works 1700-DC These should work... $99.99 from Northern Tool right now... Can't beat that price. Some specs: Pulling Capacity: 1700 lbs. Switch Type: Remote with 12ft. lead Motor: Permanent magnet, 3.0in. diameter HP: 1.6 HP Power: 12V DC Gear Train: Split ring gear Gear Ratio: 153:1 Clutch: Knob-pull and turn Brake: Self-locking gear train (rated load holding) (as opposed to the disc brakes in the ATV winches, I like this better..) Wire Rope: 3/16in. x 35ft. (will be replaced with 7/16" or 3/8") Drum Diameter: 1 1/8in. Fairlead: Hawse Hole Pattern: 2 holes on 3.1in. center Electric Leads: 2-6ft. x 6 gauge cable 1-year limited warranty U.S.A. Model 651700 Attached Images __________________ brad 5.0L \| 435 \| 203 \| 300 \| 4.10 \| 39.5 Buildup BACK underway...

04-03-2007, 12:43 PM	#8
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	nice deal brad, better than what you told me last night. __________________

04-02-2007, 08:39 AM	#2
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	Throwing more weight upfront? No way! Get a winch for the rear and one for the front and be done with it. I have had to use the rear winch for the front before and sat outside of the truggy with the winch remote in hand. If a situation arrived where you needed your front winch, connect a ratchet strap to the loaded axle and use the front winch. How about that :o

04-02-2007, 10:23 AM	#4
Treefrogsw Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Trenton , Oh Posts: 31	Damn, so much for keeping wheeling simple.. What was the first question Brad? :) Good luck, like anything else it gonna be personal choice. Sounds really cool though.

04-03-2007, 12:47 PM	#9
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	work ok upside down you think, any issue? __________________

04-03-2007, 01:03 PM	#10
KargoMaster Cleaning off the rust... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,009	Well, they won't be 180 degrees upside down... more like 90 degrees sideways... I can't see any issue other than possibly water drainage? Front will be under the hood, and I'm thinking that I may get an ATV style cover for the rear one... The drum diameters on the Warn Works series seem to be slightly smaller, but for what I'm going to do with them, I'm assuming that they'll be fine... __________________ brad 5.0L \| 435 \| 203 \| 300 \| 4.10 \| 39.5 Buildup BACK underway...

04-03-2007, 02:34 PM	#11
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	hmmm, yeah 90 is right, never thought of that... __________________

04-03-2007, 03:21 PM	#12
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	Yeah, I am gunna run one of dem for each wheel on my here axle u see n case the terrain is off camber doggonit. It will be cool u see. ;)

04-04-2007, 08:28 PM	#14
jeepmanjeff Ah Unz ze President! - CORE Member - - Moderator - Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield Ohio Posts: 588 Images: 343	Wow am I behind the times...You all read to much! __________________ Keep them on all 4's

04-11-2007, 11:55 PM	#15
mckeddie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: van wert oh Posts: 583	hey brad, give butch a call, he is in the process of mounting one in the rear of his jeep right now. i think his is like a 1300lb atv winch i believe. wait till you see the ronald mcdonald mobile this year, it is pretty sic. maybe one of these days i'll get his old 60's out of my driveway and under my jeep if i don't sell it __________________ zuk buggy.....it'll be a jeep eventually.

04-12-2007, 09:43 PM	#16
KargoMaster Cleaning off the rust... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,009	I definitely have to do that soon... (I just got back from out of town.) I can't wait to see Butch's rig again... it was badass with one tons... guess that means it's 2.5 times as badass now. Got the two 1700# winches just before I left... They should work really nicely. __________________ brad 5.0L \| 435 \| 203 \| 300 \| 4.10 \| 39.5 Buildup BACK underway...

04-12-2007, 10:07 PM	#17
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	2.5's are for the ghey. __________________