Noob needs assistance

08-21-2007, 03:39 PM

(i sent this to my local off road shop, P.O.R. in Alexandria KY, but it was returned to me, so I turn to you guys...)

Greetings! I have a strange question resulting from the predicament I'm finding myself in: I drive a VW Golf that I've decided to make my backup car as it breaks often, and parts are expensive. I have acquired the use of my mother's pick up (a 99 Mazda B2500 SX 5spd.....jealous?!). The Mazda Ranger has been pretty reliable and parts are way cheaper. I'd like to make the thing a bit safer in bad weather and maybe make it worthy of some very light trail riding. I'm not trying to climb any rocks or anything because it's 2wd and has a very weak (although reliable, at least compared to my VW) motor.

I'm new to trucks, clearly. What can I do to this thing with a very limited budget? Is it even WORTH the money and effort? Can I get a locking differential and would that help much with rain/snow/dirt driving? I was thinking about getting some sort of locking differential, maybe throw some bigger wheels and tires on it (it has 14's! yikes!) and just keep it running for the time being.

Whaddya think?

Thanks for your time!

carwash · 08-21-2007, 03:48 PM

if its for a daily driver, and for snow/ice driving, forget the locker. it will hurt you more than help in the slick roads. your static (non-driving) wheel on an open diff is what helps your rear end track down the road straight.

get some bigger wheels, and put some AT's or nice snow tires on it.

94Dodge Truggy · 08-21-2007, 03:57 PM

Depending on your ability and time you could convert it to 4wd. Putting a locker in the rear will help a bit but will also give it some potentially nasty onroad driving characteristics. The rear axle may be an 8.8 which is strong. If you lived near a desert it would make a killer prerunner truck for baja running. You may want to look at trading it for a samurai or other 4x4. Good luck! (how was roy carl from por?) edit:CW

Bear Chow · 08-21-2007, 04:20 PM

Let's not bring that up. Let's help the guy instead. It's not worth it to convert to a 4x4. For winter use, dump some bags of sand or salt in the back and a good set of AT tires.

For light duty trails. Start looking for a decent used 4x4, sami, jeep, ranger, blazer whatever gets you excited. If your new to offroading and new to mechanics start doing your own vehicle repairs and and while riding passanger seat bi@%h jump into the mix everytime you see someone needing their bearing greased.

Don't get in the way but grabbing the jack and observing what's going on will help you alot.

08-21-2007, 04:25 PM

I didn't actually TALK to anyone form POR, they are just the only place that I know of.

I thought about a 4x4 conversion, but what would that entail? Is it doable to source 4x4 Ranger or B series parts and swap it out? Can I stick with the 2.5L for the sake of simplicity and fuel economy? I mean, it's DAMN slow but it has been reliable.

I feel like I'd like to do some light offroading for sure, but again, I need this as a daily driver too. I'd LOVE to trade it in for a Tacoma (or other Yota) or Nissan but they are EXPENSIVE! And my Mazduh only has 76k miles... I see that Cherokees are reasonably priced, but there is the fuel economy issue (and I can't find a 5 sp. anywhere!), and I'd like to keep a pickup.

Help!

tjjeepjeep · 08-21-2007, 04:27 PM

Hey teejay,

I can offer no technical advice, as I'm learning as well. Just wanted to say welcome to the board. This is a great group of guys and I know they'll help you out.

94Dodge Truggy · 08-21-2007, 04:58 PM

The swap can be done. I was hoping that it had the 4 liter in it. The 2.5 puts some limitations on it.

08-21-2007, 07:51 PM

I'm starting to think I should just trade it in or sell it, and get a reliable 4x4. Again, I'd like a pickup but I do tend to gravitate toward the usually more expensive Japanese offerings, and I can't put much more into a new purchase than what I get out of the Mazduh (KBB says $3,600). I've seen Cherokees with less than 100k miles for less than $5000, so that seems like a good idea, and I hear reliabliity isn't too bad (and that you can get about 20 mpg if you're good...that's a little less than what i get now!). Again, it's been hard to find one with a clutch though. I just don't understand how old Tacomas with 200k + on the clock can still fetch prices of more than 5k!

Any other suggestions for a solid, reliable 4x4 with decent (~20mpg) gas mileage (and hopefully a 5 spd)?

Thanx for the help guys!

carwash · 08-21-2007, 11:29 PM

forget the tacoma and look at an early to mid nineties toyota. lots of 5 speeds to be had in that range. you can often find them in very good condition... in fact, look at the 4 runner for sale from fabricator in the 4sale section.

lots of cherokees can be had for your price range as well, just look around and take your time, you will find what you want.

sarge · 08-22-2007, 12:42 AM

You will not find a Cherokee that gets 20 MPG ...... 2.5 or 4.0 , 5 speeds are out there , just hard to find .

I'll second Carwash and advise you to find a Yota p/u .... they are pretty useless as a working truck but, will get you to and from work and on the trail great.

08-22-2007, 01:45 PM

I'd LOVE a Yota p/u, but most for less than $5k seem to have a TON of miles, a bunch of rust, an automatic, and are creeping up on being 20 years old. I guess it's just hard for me to grasp when my truck is in GOOD shape with low miles and is still worth less than a beat up Yota. I guess 4wd drive really helps with the resale value huh? I'll keep my eyes peeled.

Bear Chow · 08-22-2007, 02:31 PM

Start saving and buy a beater to have fun with. Light trails means you can drive it to and from the trail. Find a friend to help make sure it's mechanicly sound redo the breaks and then pound on it until something gives.

chris_dishmon · 09-03-2007, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teejay

I'd LOVE a Yota p/u, but most for less than $5k seem to have a TON of miles, a bunch of rust, an automatic, and are creeping up on being 20 years old.

that's cause 'yota's last longer and are more reliable than a ford. the amount of money you put in that to convert it into a trail rig would be better spent buying a used sammi and going from there. you can get one for about the price of a set of 33's. ;)

94Dodge Truggy · 09-03-2007, 11:29 AM

Toyotas in your opinion may last longer than fords, but I would rather be seen in a ford.

4RunnerAdam · 09-04-2007, 11:44 PM

You can get a good running Yota for $1500 or so, even less if you don't care what it looks like. Then you can take it back in the woods and beat the piss out of it and drive it back home. That's the beauty of Toyotas!

itbrokeagain · 09-05-2007, 07:03 PM

87 Yota 4x4 pick up manual. Needs a clutch and a gas tank. I have the clutch.

$800

chris_dishmon · 09-16-2007, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 94Dodge Truggy

Toyotas in your opinion may last longer than fords, but I would rather be seen in a ford.

if that was meant to be a joke...then it's hilarious.

chris_dishmon · 09-16-2007, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 94Dodge Truggy

Toyotas in your opinion may last longer than fords,

tha's not opinion either, that's fact. why do you think toyo's have better resale value? ;)

94Dodge Truggy · 09-17-2007, 08:39 AM

why do you think toyo's have better resale value? ;)[/QUOTE]

Because of ignorant toyo buyers?:confused:

chris_dishmon · 09-17-2007, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 94Dodge Truggy

Because of ignorant toyo buyers?:confused:

:mad:

94Dodge Truggy · 09-17-2007, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris_dishmon

:mad:

:)

Just messin! Is the truck done yet chris?

jfiscus · 09-17-2007, 01:19 PM

yeah, if you're thinking about a Jeep (instead of a Toyota or whatever) then put an XJ at the top of your list. You can buy them dirt cheap, lift them cheap & throw some used MTs on it and have a reliable wheeler for rock bottom prices. There's TONS of aftermarket accessories (complete catalogs available from Quadratec, 4wd, etc) for them, every junkyard has tons of parts if yours break also!

If you have XJ questions, send me a PM cause I've fixed everything on one just about & have built up many of them too.

A stock can be expeccted to get 16-20 mpg (mine have always done well at least) but once you mod them & start running 31-33s (I wouldn't recommend bigger on stock axles) you should expect 11-15 mpg.

chris_dishmon · 09-17-2007, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 94Dodge Truggy

:)

Just messin! Is the truck done yet chris?

hell naw. this thing is never done. just made the templets today for the reinforcing of the back half of the frame. hopefully i'll pick up some plate this week and get something done.

08-21-2007, 03:39 PM	#1
teejay Guest Posts: n/a	Noob needs assistance (i sent this to my local off road shop, P.O.R. in Alexandria KY, but it was returned to me, so I turn to you guys...) Greetings! I have a strange question resulting from the predicament I'm finding myself in: I drive a VW Golf that I've decided to make my backup car as it breaks often, and parts are expensive. I have acquired the use of my mother's pick up (a 99 Mazda B2500 SX 5spd.....jealous?!). The Mazda Ranger has been pretty reliable and parts are way cheaper. I'd like to make the thing a bit safer in bad weather and maybe make it worthy of some very light trail riding. I'm not trying to climb any rocks or anything because it's 2wd and has a very weak (although reliable, at least compared to my VW) motor. I'm new to trucks, clearly. What can I do to this thing with a very limited budget? Is it even WORTH the money and effort? Can I get a locking differential and would that help much with rain/snow/dirt driving? I was thinking about getting some sort of locking differential, maybe throw some bigger wheels and tires on it (it has 14's! yikes!) and just keep it running for the time being. Whaddya think? Thanks for your time!

08-21-2007, 03:48 PM	#2
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	if its for a daily driver, and for snow/ice driving, forget the locker. it will hurt you more than help in the slick roads. your static (non-driving) wheel on an open diff is what helps your rear end track down the road straight. get some bigger wheels, and put some AT's or nice snow tires on it. __________________

08-21-2007, 03:57 PM	#3
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	Depending on your ability and time you could convert it to 4wd. Putting a locker in the rear will help a bit but will also give it some potentially nasty onroad driving characteristics. The rear axle may be an 8.8 which is strong. If you lived near a desert it would make a killer prerunner truck for baja running. You may want to look at trading it for a samurai or other 4x4. Good luck! (how was roy carl from por?) edit:CW Last edited by carwash; 08-21-2007 at 04:23 PM.

08-21-2007, 11:29 PM	#9
carwash pimpin' IS easy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Union, KY Posts: 3,344 Images: 605	forget the tacoma and look at an early to mid nineties toyota. lots of 5 speeds to be had in that range. you can often find them in very good condition... in fact, look at the 4 runner for sale from fabricator in the 4sale section. lots of cherokees can be had for your price range as well, just look around and take your time, you will find what you want. __________________

09-05-2007, 07:03 PM	#16
itbrokeagain Just Empty Every Pocket - CORE Member - Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Amelia Posts: 1,435	87 Yota 4x4 pick up manual. Needs a clutch and a gas tank. I have the clutch. $800 __________________ 91 fj 80 on 37 Nitto Muds with a 10k winch. Cage and sliders coming soon.

08-21-2007, 04:20 PM	#4
Bear Chow Jeepless Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oxford, Oh Posts: 302	Let's not bring that up. Let's help the guy instead. It's not worth it to convert to a 4x4. For winter use, dump some bags of sand or salt in the back and a good set of AT tires. For light duty trails. Start looking for a decent used 4x4, sami, jeep, ranger, blazer whatever gets you excited. If your new to offroading and new to mechanics start doing your own vehicle repairs and and while riding passanger seat bi@%h jump into the mix everytime you see someone needing their bearing greased. Don't get in the way but grabbing the jack and observing what's going on will help you alot.

08-21-2007, 04:25 PM	#5
teejay Guest Posts: n/a	I didn't actually TALK to anyone form POR, they are just the only place that I know of. I thought about a 4x4 conversion, but what would that entail? Is it doable to source 4x4 Ranger or B series parts and swap it out? Can I stick with the 2.5L for the sake of simplicity and fuel economy? I mean, it's DAMN slow but it has been reliable. I feel like I'd like to do some light offroading for sure, but again, I need this as a daily driver too. I'd LOVE to trade it in for a Tacoma (or other Yota) or Nissan but they are EXPENSIVE! And my Mazduh only has 76k miles... I see that Cherokees are reasonably priced, but there is the fuel economy issue (and I can't find a 5 sp. anywhere!), and I'd like to keep a pickup. Help!

08-21-2007, 04:27 PM	#6
tjjeepjeep Just tired Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hamilton, OH Posts: 2,213 Images: 2212	Hey teejay, I can offer no technical advice, as I'm learning as well. Just wanted to say welcome to the board. This is a great group of guys and I know they'll help you out.

08-21-2007, 04:58 PM	#7
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	The swap can be done. I was hoping that it had the 4 liter in it. The 2.5 puts some limitations on it.

08-21-2007, 07:51 PM	#8
teejay Guest Posts: n/a	I'm starting to think I should just trade it in or sell it, and get a reliable 4x4. Again, I'd like a pickup but I do tend to gravitate toward the usually more expensive Japanese offerings, and I can't put much more into a new purchase than what I get out of the Mazduh (KBB says $3,600). I've seen Cherokees with less than 100k miles for less than $5000, so that seems like a good idea, and I hear reliabliity isn't too bad (and that you can get about 20 mpg if you're good...that's a little less than what i get now!). Again, it's been hard to find one with a clutch though. I just don't understand how old Tacomas with 200k + on the clock can still fetch prices of more than 5k! Any other suggestions for a solid, reliable 4x4 with decent (~20mpg) gas mileage (and hopefully a 5 spd)? Thanx for the help guys!

08-22-2007, 12:42 AM	#10
sarge Pure Bacon Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Trenton, Oh Posts: 1,098	You will not find a Cherokee that gets 20 MPG ...... 2.5 or 4.0 , 5 speeds are out there , just hard to find . I'll second Carwash and advise you to find a Yota p/u .... they are pretty useless as a working truck but, will get you to and from work and on the trail great.

08-22-2007, 01:45 PM	#11
teejay Guest Posts: n/a	I'd LOVE a Yota p/u, but most for less than $5k seem to have a TON of miles, a bunch of rust, an automatic, and are creeping up on being 20 years old. I guess it's just hard for me to grasp when my truck is in GOOD shape with low miles and is still worth less than a beat up Yota. I guess 4wd drive really helps with the resale value huh? I'll keep my eyes peeled.

08-22-2007, 02:31 PM	#12
Bear Chow Jeepless Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oxford, Oh Posts: 302	Start saving and buy a beater to have fun with. Light trails means you can drive it to and from the trail. Find a friend to help make sure it's mechanicly sound redo the breaks and then pound on it until something gives.

09-03-2007, 11:29 AM	#14
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	Toyotas in your opinion may last longer than fords, but I would rather be seen in a ford.

09-04-2007, 11:44 PM	#15
4RunnerAdam Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: near eastgate mall Posts: 171	You can get a good running Yota for $1500 or so, even less if you don't care what it looks like. Then you can take it back in the woods and beat the piss out of it and drive it back home. That's the beauty of Toyotas!

09-17-2007, 08:39 AM	#19
94Dodge Truggy EX-Vice President Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairfield, Ohio Posts: 3,048	why do you think toyo's have better resale value? ;)[/QUOTE] Because of ignorant toyo buyers?:confused:

09-17-2007, 01:19 PM	#22
jfiscus Terrain Stomper Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Crittenden, KY Posts: 633	yeah, if you're thinking about a Jeep (instead of a Toyota or whatever) then put an XJ at the top of your list. You can buy them dirt cheap, lift them cheap & throw some used MTs on it and have a reliable wheeler for rock bottom prices. There's TONS of aftermarket accessories (complete catalogs available from Quadratec, 4wd, etc) for them, every junkyard has tons of parts if yours break also! If you have XJ questions, send me a PM cause I've fixed everything on one just about & have built up many of them too. A stock can be expeccted to get 16-20 mpg (mine have always done well at least) but once you mod them & start running 31-33s (I wouldn't recommend bigger on stock axles) you should expect 11-15 mpg.